Andrew Russell

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, the whole focus has been on Michael Voss, but there's a whole number of people that work in that organization that are significantly affected by the leadership change.

So I wanted to dive into what happens to everyone else, not the leader themselves.

Well, it's a great question.

It's a question that's going to be debated heavily and,

And no one knows the answer, but what I would say, and I've been down this path, this journey with Alistair Clarkson, when we started together at Hawthorne, I've seen so many changes over so many years and I just can't go past the young energy of an untried coach.

Who's been in the system a long time, because a lot of these guys have been around football a long time, even though they're untried.

They've been in the system a long time.

They understand the system.

They've been in lots of different environments.

So the guy that's been in three or four different clubs, player, knows what success looks like.

been under great coaches themselves.

And then they say, well, this is my time in the sun.

And, you know, Carlton's had so many changes in the last two years.

So from a playing group had so many changes from a football department point of view.

And when Carlton were going well, they had real stability, both from a playing point of view, but around Vossie, there was real stability.

So he had so much change around him.

So connection and trust is so hard to, so hard to find.

And build.

So a young coach, and then he needs to get a team around him of people, and they need to lock that team in, and they need to go for it.