Ben Rhodes

We're going to pour one out for Rick Grinnell, Twitter troll, previously ambassador to Germany in the first Trump term, acting director of national intelligence, supporter of the big lie after the 2020 election.

Called, quote, one of the most nasty, dishonest people I've ever encountered by friend of the pod, Susan Rice, who got to know him in the UN context.

Look, I don't want to go through Grinnell's bio here, but there have been a number of stories recently that say that he's clearly fallen out of circles.

He overplayed his hand.

He offended Susie Wiles, the White House chief of staff.

You know, she seems to hate his guts.

One embarrassing example that came out recently, I think it was in the Daily Mail.

Grinnell thought he arranged for the Serbian president to meet Trump in Florida, but Susie Wiles blocked the meeting, which left Grinnell looking like an idiot.

He can't even seem to do his corruption right.

He was working on that half a billion dollar real estate deal in Serbia with Jared Kushner.

That's now been called off.

Kushner's pulled out of it.

So it's not going well for Rick other than the Trump Kennedy Center renovation here.

Eamon, my question to you, did you ever cross paths with Grinnell?

And are you feeling sorry for him?

Well, you know, he is a deep, longstanding patron of the arts.

So maybe, you know, he'll carry out his passions there.

But it's not always nice to see that there is, you know, accountability that circles back to some of these people.

Look, Eamon, I want to thank you so much for, you know, walking through all this, for co-hosting today.

Again, people can watch you on MS where you host the weekend primetime, which airs Saturdays and Sundays at 6 Eastern.