Brené Brown

It's got to look like the weirdest quilt anyone's ever made.

These things do not go together.

But they do.

That's the paradox.

Well, I think you're an intensely curious person and there are lots of things to be curious about in the world and not all of them have to be highbrow.

No, I mean, I think you're fascinated by what fascinates other people.

That in and of itself is often a reason to listen or watch.

Oh, you're speaking one of my love languages, Brene.

Aesthetic chills.

So Costa and McRae, who did a lot of the pioneering work to create the big five personality traits in personality psychology, they actually identified those aesthetic chills, the goosebumps or shivers on your spine when you're appreciating art, music, poetry, I would add natural beauty as well, as a universal marker across cultures of being open to new experiences.

And so somebody who's open-minded and open-hearted is more likely to get those chills.

I'm not going there.

I'm sorry.

That is not my terrain.

I want to hear about your favorite paradox or least favorite.

That's good.

It took me a second.

Thank you.

I'm like, wait, is this, is this Phil Collins Genesis?

I've heard about it a little, not much.