Dax Shepard

I mean, that Buckley Cleaver show has hundreds of thousands of views and gets watched today because it is kind of an amazing document.

The logic of platforming

Which is a very social media logic.

It's the logic of blocking, of muting, right?

I think a lot of our politics is now formed by our experience on social and algorithmic media and the way people treat each other there and what it means to win or lose there.

And it has overwhelmed other logics of communication, of conversation.

One thing I like about the Buckley Cleaver thing is that sometimes people can treat people

as purely instrumental, right?

How am I going to change X's politics if I won't talk to X?

As if everybody is simply a object of intellectual charity upon which you should act.

But one thing I like about that is that

The Buckley Cleaver thing is not about persuasion at all.

It is literally just a conversation to see what will happen when two very, very different perspectives come into a room together.

But let me complicate that in one way.

And I know Adam and I, I like Adam, although I have my issues with Instagram.

But one thing it isn't is a pure marketplace, a flat marketplace.

Because the decisions that the people who run these marketplaces make...

really matter.

And I'll give an example.

We're in this moment, and you guys do a great job of this, where the view is that every podcast has to be video and every video podcast has to be cut up into all these clips.