Dr. Genevieve von Petzinger

So if so, you're welcome to use it.

But so deep in different sections of the cave, we find these desks.

And there is Neanderthals all through the entranceway, so we know they were there.

With the wall where the disks were found, for instance, and there was also a hand that was covered up 37,000 years ago.

So, again, it was covered up.

It's right near the disk.

It looks similarly faded.

If I had to guess, I would guess it was probably about the same age.

But, you know, so this is where we've got those guys.

Then we have 27,000-year-old hands on the same panel, which would have been modern human.

Then you have 17,000 year old yellow bison.

And then I believe there's even some later stuff too from about 13,000 on the wall.

So that same panel, and so this is part of the problem too, is it's because the Neanderthals were like the first, they're the OGs, right?

They were there first.

So their stuff is really faded and has more layers of that calcite.

So it's starting to look, it's harder to see with the eye.

And then later groups of people came in and it's a very nice wall and they made their marks too.

And so there's lots of reasons why.

And then, of course, keep in mind that up until about 15 years ago, I mean, frankly, the people who said Neanderthals made art almost were given tinfoil hats.

That's how crazy it would seem to be.