Dr. Katriona O'Sullivan

Like men are as much influenced now as they ever were by the like, we've got protein, they're in the gyms, they're trying to build themselves up.

So there is an influence on young men.

But yeah, so I think we're all aspiring to be to meet the standards.

And the problem is, is the standard changes.

So we're moving more and more into plastic surgery.

surgeries botoxes whatever so what's going to come next if we don't stop and say is there ever going to be a point where it's okay to just get old or it's okay to be a bit chubby if you're healthy yeah like when are we going to actually stop and all of us take responsibility and go okay i'm not going to feed that machine i'm actually going to try and be a voice to say maybe we don't need to do that and that's what i'm trying to do is trying to be a bit more reflective about it and encourage other people to be reflective too i want to ask you about the theme of sex yeah i love the sex bit

I loved writing about sex as well.

Did you?

I found a skill.

Yeah.

I think if I don't sell this memoir, I'm going to go in and start selling sex books because a lot of people who read it was like, oh, this is good.

So if you don't like anything else, buy it for the sex.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And also, so I talk about like witnessing my dad's relationship with women and the way my dad sexualized women.

And he actually sexualized women in front of me, which is abusive.

And, you know, that was really hard for me to write about because I feel...

defensive of him, but it's the truth.

Like, I learned that women were a vessel for men's sexual pleasure.

And I think we all learn that in some ways.