Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

And that app, I think, is for me, the best meditation app I've come across.

So we partner with them.

And at the moment, as of last night, there's 20,000 people we've got meditating on The Way during March.

And I hope that, you know, this has got 30 free meditations there for people.

And my hope is that,

that's enough time to, because I think two or three days is not really enough, even a week.

You need to do it enough to go, oh, this is what it brings to my life.

So I'm hoping some of them continue with the practice afterwards.

And I think those solitude stillness practices, they really help us with the meaning of life.

You won't know this, but the first thing I underlined in your book, and one of the first things was a quote from my mum's favourite poet of all time.

So my mum still now on her wall has a picture of Rabindranath Tagore.

He is my mum's idol.

Oh, he's brilliant.

And, you know, on page three of the book, you quote from him, you say, the one who plants trees, knowing that he will never sit in their shade has at least started to understand the meaning of life.

What does that quote mean to you?

Yeah.

It's really interesting, Jenna.

Since I last saw you, which was in this studio, maybe five or six years ago,

I know you've been through significant life changes.

And what's really interesting is that most people would probably say that if they had to make those kind of life changes, you said you left your job, you left your marriage, you're now, I guess, a single mother.