Eric Zimmer

why that's important, how you go about choosing people, what sort of person you do and don't choose, you know, how you filter your decisions through those lens.

Talk to me a little bit about that idea.

It's funny, as you were saying that, I was thinking about what a spiritual teacher told me once.

I've done a lot of training in Zen Buddhism, and Zen Buddhism is somewhat arcane, right?

It's strange, right?

You read it, and you're like, that does not make the slightest bit of sense.

And

Did a lot of Cohen work and they said what you want to try and do is imagine what state of consciousness?

Someone would have to have in order to say what they just said or believe what they believe Like what would your brain have to be like yes to do that?

And it was a useful reference point to be like, okay, that seems like nonsense But what would my view of the world be like if that was actually true?

We can all probably in our given fields of career, think of some exemplars, right?

Where do you turn to for exemplars in other aspects of your life about being a good person about, you know, and how many of your exemplars are people, you know, versus people you've read about versus alive versus dead.

I'm just kind of curious, like your makeup of your, you call them your own board of directors.

Like what,

You know, the makeup of your board of directors, how many of them are career people versus moral people, living dead, etc.

Yep.

Yep.

Well, Shane, thank you so much.

It's an excellent book.

I've really, really enjoyed this conversation.