Erin Welsh

And I was hoping you could tell me a little bit about the times when

the true gold standard might not be, for instance, an RCT, but it might be something else entirely, or it might be unethical to do a randomized controlled trial in that situation.

One thing that I feel like during the COVID pandemic, especially the early months, was this desire from the public to have the answers.

And I feel like there's a lot of variation in how willing someone is to say, I don't know.

And I'm wondering your feelings on this.

Do you feel that...

Scientists in particular have a difficult time saying that they don't know the answer to something like do we need to embrace uncertainty more in as scientists or do you feel like there's that we are embracing it but just not communicating it well?

I want to close out by asking you about the subtitle of your book, which is The Art and Science of Certainty.

And I want to know about the art part of this.

What is the art aspect?

Well, Professor Kaczarski, thank you so much for joining me today.

This was such an enlightening conversation.

And I really did.

I loved your book, Proof.

So I appreciate you coming on to the show.

Thank you so much for having me.

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