Eugene

that make you feel like you're actually trying to get to the end, but you get so swept up in these mini moments along the way that you enjoy the game itself.

Because it's the progress.

They literally write progress.

But I've noticed in the games where they don't do that for you, if you're not careful, you can, and I'd love you to speak to this beyond gaming, but it's like, if they don't do it for you,

There's some games where you can literally just go straight to the end as quickly as possible and be done.

And I find you can be very depressed.

As you say, you get there and you're like, ah, I don't know about this.

This was it, you know?

And it was too hard, by the way, because you didn't like level up the way you should have.

Or there's the inverse, where it's,

you spend so much time in the side quests that you don't move towards progress because nothing's pushing you.

Nothing's propelling you.

You know what I mean?

And then what happens is you quit the game.

So you play like 40% of the game.

You do everything around getting to the end, but then you don't get to the end because the game didn't, I forget what they call it, but essentially some games will dole it out in the right amount.

You're moving forward.

Now you're moving sideways, sideways, moving forward, sideways.

Some go do whatever you want.

And it's interesting how that flips.