Faiz Shakir

This is the system as it's always been.

Don't worry about it.

And I don't mean to over-subscribe to it, but there has been a side mentality around people who are upper class, upper educated, right?

You're making over $150,000 a year.

You have an advanced degree and you're like,

So fundamentally, we don't need overhauls of any major thing.

But yeah, but the rest of America, 60 plus percent, believes in major systemic overhauls.

We have to reflect those and they are needed in this moment.

Who's the heir apparent to Bernie?

I want a lot of people competing for that lane, Jack.

I want a lot of people throwing their hat.

Good job competing is a high bar at the moment.

I mean, there's obviously people.

He has a great fondness for Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez.

He's gone out into the world with he's done events with a number of people.

Am I overreading?

The word preference is doing a lot of work for you there.

But I'd say what is clear is that he respects that she has built something of a national appeal and has a lot of young people in particular who believe in her and her vision of leadership.

And he feels like he learned something from that, right?

Is that, oh, here's somebody cultivating a populist mentality.