Gabby Logan

So having been an actress, tailed off a bit, I then retrained as a doula, postnatal doula.

So I did that for 10 years.

There's something really special, particularly with your own children and your daughters-in-law.

About the middle of the night when it's silent and it's dark and you think we're the only people up in the whole world.

That moment when they're breastfeeding and you're just there just supporting them and just keeping them company and waiting to take the baby back to settle the baby so they can go back to sleep.

It's it's absolutely magical.

And you clearly have a good relationship, not just obviously with Molly, but with the mothers of... Which brings me to why I introduced myself to you.

That was what we said before the podcast started.

That was going to be the theme of today.

The theme.

I'm here to reposition mothers-in-law because I feel mothers-in-law get a really bad rap.

We all think of...

what's he called frank not um frank spencer no les dawson les dawson les dawson with his mother-in-law jokes and that pervades to this day people it's an easy target the mother-in-law joke and i don't get me wrong i realize that you know some people do have tricky relationships with their in-laws i've just been very lucky i get on very well with all my in-law children and actually i get on really well with all the in-law parents as well which is a joy

Yeah, that's like bringing new people into your family.

Exactly.

It's such a lovely thing.

Exactly.

If you like them, that's even better.

It's even better.

Exactly, exactly.