Gabby

Yeah, that's what they're saying.

And I think it's not that they're saying right now, it puts us in a kind of disadvantaged position in terms of how the sport looks and the progression of the sport.

They're not saying they want to be compared.

Rugby's been very careful and very clever, I think, in not saying we are the men's game.

We're a very different looking game, you know, because of just the way that, you know, the power is exerted on the pitch.

And I think, as you say, it's because it's really makes such a difference to the kickers.

And it's not just the kicking game off the tee.

It's everywhere else on the field that it makes a difference.

So in terms of the pressure of the ball, I remember Kenny having an absolute nightmare against Italy once and missed pretty much all of his kicks.

Because in warm-up, he was going, this ball is just way too... The pressure of the ball felt like it was bursting, you know?

And the opposite kicker, who was actually the fly half, looked at Kenny and winked from Italy because he knew that they'd pressurised the balls quite hard because they liked it like that.

So...

So it can make a massive difference.

And I'll tell you quickly a little story, though.

It did precipitate me doing one of the most romantic things I've ever done in my life because I was watching this match while I was presenting ITV's Sports News on a Saturday.

And I literally kept banging my head on the table every time I missed a kick.

I was thinking, oh, my God, we don't even going out about four months.

And I could see like, actually, we go about a year because they'd won the six stations here before five nations.

And the color was draining from his face.

So I quickly looked online and I worked out I could get an Alitalia flight 1130 that night to Rome and fly out and, you know, console my boyfriend.