Gary Jubelin

You can see the cool things that happen in the crime.

But speaking to people like you, I think it allows people to understand, well, you know, it can be a bit messy in the world of crime.

I know part of your platform now is trying to help people and steer them away from it.

And I think it's an important message.

And demonstrating that it's possible and can be done for a time.

I've also – you've mentioned karma a lot in interviews that you've done or when you're speaking to people.

Do you believe in karma?

Has karma come back to bite you in ways?

It got me a beauty.

Yeah?

Yeah.

Well, I think it's a good starting point.

You've got to own it.

You can go through as a victim, and there's a lot of people who've got some shit starts to life, and you understand why they fall into that path.

But at some point in time, to dig your way out, you've really got to say, okay, well, that shit happened, but I can take control of my destiny.

I've heard people, plenty of people have sat in that chair where you are or people I've come across in life.

And sometimes that forgiveness, you've got to be able to forgive yourself too.

Yeah.

And I would imagine the lifestyle that you lived, the gangster lifestyle that you lived, there'd be a lot that you just got to go, okay, well, that was the old me.

I'm different now.