Gary McKinnon

There's nothing.

No, like telemetry or sensor looking stuff.

Yeah.

that is wild i mean and then also now we have the uh lucky hindsight you know in in 2026 of commander david fravor's experience of 2004 just a few years later uh off the coast of san diego where he sees a tic-tac object and they have you know apparently radar we've seen the fleer imaging the thermal imaging of this thing it's for everyone to see the pentagon is verified that that's real

And then you have a lot of other witnesses.

You have his co-pilot.

You have another plane and two pilots in that plane.

You have, you know, a whole lot.

You have the, obviously, radar.

Some guys on the ship, exactly.

So are you the first person

Like other, I mean, I believe there's some other Tic Tac and cigar, like there's, you know, I think flying, there are Air Force documents from the late 40s that describe flying butane tanks.

I don't know if you know about this.

I haven't heard it described like that.

David Grush, famous UFO whistleblower, has talked about this.

And then in Robert Hastings' great book, UFOs and Nukes, which talks about UFOs showing up at nuclear installations all over the world, including in the UK, actually at Rendlesham Forest in 1980, really famous case.

He talks about tic-tacs or cigar-shaped objects often being sort of like a mothership and saucers flying out of the tic-tacs.

Yeah, I think that was at Maelstrom AFB in America as well.

Similar thing happened.

Yeah, like definitely a mothership kind of configuration.