Gary McKinnon

Yeah, a ton has happened at Malmstrom actually.

So it's definitely likely that in certain cases, some sort of tick, because a Tic Tac or cigar is one of the most common descriptions people have.

There's a case we were just talking earlier, you know, thank you, James Fox, great documentarian for the intro to Gary.

Yeah.

Great guy.

And we were saying that he sort of single-handedly resuscitated this obscure Brazilian UFO crash in 1996, the Varginha case.

And there's a guy, Carlos de Souza, who's a ultralight pilot geography teacher who literally saw the crash.

And he felt the material, just like in Roswell with Jesse Marcel.

It feels the material, and it feels like, you know, memory metal.

I could see quite a few pieces of debris there.

I was completely floored.

Yeah, it sprung back into its original shape.

And guess what the shape of the craft was that he saw that crash?

Cigar, tic-tac.

Yeah.

So.

Yeah, lots of synchronicities there.

What was your first instinct when you saw it?

How did you feel?

And what did you think?