Grace Beverley

Yeah, and I think that's really powerful and I think it reflects why so many entrepreneurs came from a place where actually if you ask them, you know,

what made you start it yes so many entrepreneurs have a very specific origin story and it was this idea and it led to this and they decided to quit this and whatever I think so many entrepreneurs come from a position of need where the maybe not the same kind of existential need that you were facing at that time but that need of kind of actually the risk of not doing this feels bigger

because I don't know how I'm gonna get to where I want to in my life if I don't start taking some big moves.

And I think that that actually is exactly in parallel with what you've just said in that,

When you create a life in which taking risks is the only option, then you start making those moves at a much higher rate and with much more enthusiasm because it is your kind of one option.

So I'd love to hear from that point, how did that turn into your entrepreneurial journey?

Because I can imagine at the same time that turning into anything else would have still been a leap.

And what were the main emotions that made you kind of feel that?

Because I totally understand the experience of, I guess, a certain element more freedom when starting your own thing or freedom to think and solve problems the way you want to.

But I also think that given how you were at the time, I can imagine that...

there also would have been a huge call internally to security.

Like, I think that the way you say it, it feels very, oh, yeah, of course this is the case.

Like, of course I exercised that entrepreneurial muscle once and then I thought, well, now I'm an entrepreneur, I have to do things that way.

I can imagine someone in the exact same situation thinking the opposite and going, oh, well, that didn't work after, you know, that winter because...

people didn't need gardeners.

So I need to find something where even if the business struggles a bit more, I'm still being paid.

What do you think it was that made you think of entrepreneurship as the only solution for you, rather than one of two solutions where one actually maybe is a little bit more security for what had been quite an insecure situation for yourself?

It's so funny because when you say that, that really makes me think of what I felt originally when... Because I only did 13 months in corporate before I guess I became an entrepreneur.

And the only reason that happened, I think I would have done well more had I started in that corporate world after university.

But because I did that...