Grace Beverley

On top of that, that people miss in what you're saying is the end failure of the business, for example, so say your gardening business or a dog walking business or whatever it might be.

That is no different from just leaving a job, whereas that carries so much more weight for people.

Like if I start something and it doesn't go on to be this massive thing and...

scale in all these different ways and all of this.

If it gave you a job for those few months or for that year or for those few years or for that fucking week, like you earned some extra money, that was still success for the purpose that it served at the time.

And I think that it's so easy, I think particularly with social media now where you're seeing so many people do so many incredible things and build massive companies and all of this.

It's really easy to think that actually the solution you're looking for has to be this big, bold wheel reinvention type thing.

When in reality, the large majority of businesses, A, didn't start like that.

B, not every business needs to be the biggest business in the world.

Like if your business's aim is to keep you afloat and to mean that you can, as you say.

maybe choose your hours maybe do something you love maybe be on your feet rather than be at a desk whatever it might be that motivates you that is still a version of success and I think so many people are put off by this idea of kind of where does it go in a few years that used to be my biggest thing when I started my first company and when I first came out of university I was just shit scared I was like what do I do with this company in 10 years 15 years 20 years because I was like oh I don't know if the model now would work for it then it's like stop thinking about that it's

Stop obsessing over where this is in a few years.

Start obsessing with how it's serving you and the customers and the company now.

And I think that if more people thought about things in the way that you've just suggested and just said, OK, what would make my year better if I didn't work for this person and if I had a bit more money and if I was on my feet more?

Great.

There's 100% something you can do even on top of your existing job that will get you to that result.

It's just maybe you are being held back by thinking that that's not going to, you know, that doesn't put you squarely within entrepreneurship or that doesn't make you build the type of company that you're going to sell.

It doesn't need to be all about the new AI thing and the new tech, whatchamacallit, and that's something that's going to be sold to an investor.

And along those lines, what would you say your big break was?

Like, when did you get that big break?