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The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

So that's the way to do succession.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

And so I think outgoing CEOs can develop people, but they don't select the person.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

That's my belief.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

I think an outgoing CEO should just leave, should not sit on the board because then you're sort of curbing what the new CEO can do because they're now always looking over their shoulder to see if they can take a direction that's different than the CEO sitting on the board.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

It's a terrible situation.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

When I stepped down as CEO, I told the board I wouldn't be chairman for more than two months, max.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

And then I'm out because I wanted the new CEO to have total flexibility to do whatever he wanted.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

When you're a CEO, you're it.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

When you're on a board, you're one among peers.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

So it's a group of you collectively that are serving the company.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

Nobody is more important than the other.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

We're all doing it together.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

So it's got to be, you've got to understand you're dealing with peers and together we are the board first.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

Point number two, there's a deep urge as a CEO to want to manage the company.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

You cannot manage the company.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

You can only provide direction, ideas, suggestions to the company and worry about the governance of the company.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

So you've got to make sure you don't dig into the reeds and create confusion as to whose direction should we be taking.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

So it's very important that CEOs forget their CEO-ship and put on a board hat and always ask yourself the question,

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

When I was CEO, if a board member behaved the way I'm behaving now, would I have liked it?

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

Always ask yourself that question.