J. Kyle Mann

And I really respect people who do it.

And certainly if you're playing basketball and you're on a court with people who think they're too cool to actually play defense or to actually grab a rebound or just are kind of standing around chucking threes, it's just the worst basketball experience you can have as a player.

By not being cool, we can lean more into not being cool.

But...

If trying is cringe, give me all the cringe you got.

I just think it's a better way to live.

It's a more infectious energy when you're around people who live and operate that way.

So again, I really respect that.

The other one for me, Kyle, was you can be selfish even while doing the seemingly unselfish thing.

And you can be unselfish even while doing the seemingly selfish thing.

And I say this in part because there are...

There are guards out there in particular who are like, they get a ton of assists.

They make very flashy passes, but they control the ball in a way that wears down the game and takes all of the energy out of it.

And on the other hand, on the other side of things, there are people who take a lot of shots or who score a lot, who are doing it in a way that is kind of unselfish, that by overpassing, they would be doing a detriment to their team.

And so I think you have to rewire your brain with basketball a little bit beyond just like, oh, points are a selfish thing or score

is a selfish thing and assists are unselfish because there are just so many arguments to the contrary and you really have to feel it.

We took some detours, but I think you're absolutely right about human nature and kind of what we crave and the environments in which we're best suited.

So many of those are independent, especially like here in America, it's just kind of what we do.

But I feel like you can really tell who grew up playing team sports and who did not when you meet adults out in the world, kind of like who is conditioned to that environment, who understands the give and take of circumstance, who knows, like you're saying, like the virtues of doing less sometimes and what that can do for a collective.

Not everyone is good at it.