Jack Clark

So much to get into.

So many other questions we could have pushed harder.

And I think we need to keep pushing harder because Jack, as one of the co-founders of one of the biggest companies in the world, is an example of an individual with incredible personal influence and power that could totally upend our economies, our national security, our public service, and in fact, most of the future of humanity and human society.

It's a very few people and we really need to make sure they're thinking clearly and honestly.

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By April 2027, AI systems should be able to do tasks that might take a person 150 hours.

Now, what is that?

That's almost a month's worth of work, which requires strange things to happen in the economy.

Yeah, but like what task is it doing?

Like what task are you thinking of?

When new candidate products are found, it runs for a series of tuned expert systems.

And if it gets a high enough score, simulates the product in a high fidelity simulation.

If it passes these tests, then a candidate product is produced, airlifted by drone to a nearby human focus group, and if it satisfies their criteria, is sold on an eBay-like auction site frequented by the factory's thousands of distributors.

A bidding process takes place, and in a few days or weeks, data comes back about how the product succeeds in the market.

If it does better than the existing product, more parts of the factory are dedicated to creating new products in this style,

and the improvisation line begins exploring the latent space of the new products.

Sort of a serious question.

It's a good question.

So I think if AI goes as far as people think, you actually need to reconceptualize how capitalism in the largest possible sense works.

I think if you end up in a world where you have a closed loop production system with just machine to machine to machine to machine and then people buy stuff, people need money.