Jane Black

of questions about how people are going to do that.

I mean, you and I have talked about school lunch before.

It's not like they have a giant budget.

So now how are they going to afford a lot more meat and put that on the plate?

So there will be some interesting things to watch as these are rolled out.

Well, I think that he has really gotten people's attention.

He has gotten people's attention on the right, and he has gotten people's attention on the left.

And that is remarkable because certainly in the past,

the language or the tone of whatever they were saying sort of was received by one side or the other more readily.

So that's one thing.

So I think that's important.

And I think a mass movement and a mass caring about food is essential.

I think that he will get more attention on things that people want to do.

So if you put steak and hamburgers and cheese at the top of the pyramid, people might follow that more than they're going to follow saying eat low-fat, you know, dairy with no sugar because it's fun to follow it.

Overall, I think that change just really takes time.

You know, we all know that when we try to change what we eat, it's really hard.

That's why New Year's resolutions rarely work out, right?

And I also think that this particular administration is talking the talk, but they're not actually doing a lot at this point to make it easier to eat those whole foods or to make those whole foods more affordable.

So you can tell people that ultra-processed foods are bad, but if they're still the cheapest and most convenient thing at the grocery store, a lot of people are going to still buy them.

I got the iced maple latte.