Jim VandeHei

People are starting to understand the consequences of it.

I think we're finally really as a society coming to grips with it.

And at the very moment we're finally coming to grips with it, a new technology is going to take over, which we can get to.

I think it's a little bit of both.

Like, listen, it's hard for big old institutions to realize they're not as big and impressive as they think they are.

Right.

Like once upon a time, I'm sure IBM thought nobody would leave IBM.

Right.

Or even Apple thought nobody would leave Apple.

Like it just it happens in The Washington Post, I think, thought it was bigger than its individual parts.

And what the internet did is it made the individual parts much more valuable than the institutions realized and sometimes much more valuable than the institution themselves.

And so, yes, there is an alternative universe where they realize that and they utilize the brand prestige of the Washington Post to entice those people to stay.

financially incentivize them to stay and basically do what the New York Times did.

That is essentially what the New York Times did.

The New York Times is a good counterpoint to the Post.

It knew what it was.

We are going to be the newspaper of kind of rich, like...

city-dwelling, educated, left America.

And we're going to dominate that.

And then we're going to try to find different stars, whether it's on podcast or whether it's as columnist or now on video.