Jodi Kantor

But listen, I mean, we're living through really difficult times.

Journalism is a coping mechanism, and it's hopeful.

It says, like, we can ask questions of people in power.

We can get information from

And, you know, part of what I think is so hopeful about the Supreme Court work – and by the way, it's not just me.

There's a whole team of five people at The Times doing it together.

Journalism is on the defensive, right?

Like journalism has a lot of problems.

It is receding in the culture in so many ways.

This journalism is not.

We are expanding the aperture of what we can know about one of the country's most powerful individuals.

So we are not in retreat.

We are taking these time-tested tools and we are using them to our fullest abilities.

Thank you for doing that, Jodi.

Thank you for doing that.

Oh, thanks for saying that.

In all of this work that you're doing, years after being removed from the Columbia University newspaper, you returned, you were invited to deliver a commencement address.

That address became the foundation of your brand new book, How to Start Discovering Your Life's Work.

What made you want to continue that conversation beyond the commencement speech?

And were you seeing something more systemic that you wanted to address?