Kai Risdall

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There was some research out from Morgan Stanley not too long ago that showed about 60% of the most prestigious AI institutions on the planet are in the United States.

So, yes, this country is a leader in artificial intelligence, but also 40% of leading AI institutions are not here.

And it turns out China is closing in fast, very fast.

Sebastian Malaby is just back from a reporting trip to China to see what artificial intelligence is like there.

He's with the Council on Foreign Relations and the author, most recently, of a book called The Infinity Machine.

The headline on this piece in The New York Times about his trip is called, I went to China to see its progress on AI.

We can't beat it.

Mr. Malaby, welcome to the program.

It's good to have you on.

So great to be with you.

So you go to China to talk about artificial intelligence.

In a nutshell, what did you see?

The big surprise, Guy, was that when I was there, people brought up safety more than I had expected.

You know, I was in four different cities, Shanghai, Beijing, Shenzhen, Hangzhou, and pretty much everywhere I went, whether I was talking to tech leaders at companies or AI researchers at universities, I

they would say to me, look, we have this window right now to make AI safer before it gets too powerful, and we need to seize it.

Here's the thing, though, that I don't quite get about China and its development in artificial intelligence.

The Biden administration, Secretary Raimondo, went to great lengths to impose limits on what the Chinese could use of American AI developments, chip exports, all of those things.

And the gist of your piece is that hasn't worked.