Kai Risdall

The Chinese figured out a way around it and we have to deal with it.

Pretty much, yes.

I mean, those export controls were imposed by the United States and its allies in 2022.

So points to the Biden team for seeing this coming before ChatGPT was even released.

But it didn't work in terms of depriving China of cutting edge AI models.

They went ahead and they figured out a way of building them anyway.

Do they just reverse engineer what we've done?

I mean, it seems too simple to say that, but how else are they doing it?

Well, that is part of it.

There is this technique called distillation, where a Chinese model maker can get lots of outputs from an American one, and those outputs help it to more efficiently train its own AI model.

But then there's also the fact that China has excellent AI engineers.

It's

produces scientific papers on AI at a prodigious rate, we shouldn't underestimate just how good they are.

Aside from the experts that you spoke with, how are lay Chinese people using AI?

Because look, I'm a bad example.

I dabble in it, but that's the broad swath of America, right?

There are people who are really good, but most people are like, yeah, it's a thing.

We use it sometimes.

What's it like over there?

There's more optimism about AI in China and in Asia generally than there is in the United States.