Kai Risdall

But maybe they need to switch.

Right.

I mean, I actually think that in China, you know, at the elite level, in terms of sort of AI company leaders, influential academic researchers, these people whose views often do filter up into the Communist Party.

were much more open to talking about safety than I expected.

Now, on the American side, you're right that there was no interest in controlling AI until maybe a couple of weeks ago, because then you had Mythos, this new cyber hacking model come out.

And all of a sudden, Treasury Secretary Scott Besant is summoning the banks, telling them to take it seriously.

And I think there's a bit of a mood change in Washington about needing to regulate AI.

Sebastian Malaby, just back from China on a reporting trip.

He's at the Council on Foreign Relations.

Also, he's got a new book out, mostly about the subject at hand, actually.

It's called The Infinity Machine.

Sebastian, thanks for your time.

I really appreciate it.

Great to be with you.

Well, color me curious, huh?

First, though, let's do the numbers.

Dow Industrial's basically flat, 49,442.

The Nasdaq down 64 points, about a quarter percent.

24,404.

The S&P 500 subtracted 16 points, also a quarter percent.