Kevin Doyle

Now, I've no idea.

Is that a big budget?

Is that a small budget?

How is that rank in Hollywood?

It strikes me and you can't answer this question, but the Jackson estate says that's our fault or was it very convenient for the Jackson estate that this now forced this element of the story to be taken out?

But where does it start?

I mean, Michael Jackson had...

troubled youth I think that's probably certainly his own telling of his youth was very very difficult talked about when he was a kid he was denied a childhood I think is the way he described it he was denied love that his father would never put his arm around him ask him was he okay any of that and he would later use this as a way of explaining his own affection for children

But does it get into that level of the family dysfunction, if you like?

Is there talk of that?

Just remind us, where was Michael Jackson at in 1988?

So at the cut-off point, if it was known there was going to be a sequel, we'd call it the cliffhanger.

If you came down from space, never heard of this moonwalker, and you went to watch these movies...

What would you walk away with thinking about Michael Jackson?

There are essentially 20 years.

He died in 2009.

So there's 20 years of a gap there that more or less that are left to report on.

And I think we should touch on what happened in that period.

And even to this day, there are allegations still coming out, Chris.

And you mentioned the Leaving Neverland documentary, which was a huge talking point at the time, but it was quietly kind of disappeared by HBO after.