Krystal Ball

The most sort of confrontational, aggressive approach to enforcement is not popular with a lot of people

Workplace enforcement saying, if you're not here legally, if you are not allowed to work here, you in fact can't work here.

That has an extraordinarily powerful effect.

Again, not in overnight detaining people and destroying their lives necessarily, but in creating a very strong pressure for people to depart in an orderly way.

And so I think it's a very helpful litmus test.

Is your objection to the way they're doing it or is your objection to the notion that these people really do need to leave?

And if it's just, you know, we would like to do this in a humane way, workforce enforcement offers that.

And so I think that's where you see a lot of folks.

I think Miller's approach requires the inhumanity.

And I understand that criticism.

I understand that criticism of what Trump is doing today.

I think the flip side of your point about what Democrats will accept is, well, if Democrats won't even accept workforce enforcement, if we can't actually get to a place where everybody agrees.

I think they would as long as there's a path for people who came here through the process to get a work permit.

Then I think they'd be fine with that.

This is exactly what I'm telling you.

This is the actual question.

Is the people, is the millions and millions of people who came in here, who in, frankly, a very lawless way during the Biden administration, is the end point.

Not just the Biden administration.

You're right.

And even before that.