Mattha Busby

So it's unclear.

I mean, certainly it must have been after the point that humans learned how to make soup.

Yeah.

And so it was in the early 20th century then that French chemists were researching, I think it was an antidepressant drug of sorts.

And so they extracted Ibogaine.

And in the 60s, a man, Howard Lotsoff, who's addicted to heroin and was just experimenting with all sorts of other drugs on top of that,

A chemist friend gave him some Ibogaine and he took it and then, you know, almost miraculously, you know, woke up and realised he wasn't in withdrawal for heroin.

So who owns Ibogaine?

There are concerns in Gabon that folks aren't going to be kind of adequately compensated.

The sovereign wealth fund of the country, they want a slice of the market.

But equally, Ibogaine can be produced in labs.

But yeah, certainly there are real concerns that the advocates behind Trump that day haven't kind of satisfactorily made a deal, what made any sort of deal with the Gabonese people, even though Hubbard did sort of pay lip service and thanked our brothers in Gabon for stewarding this medicine.

Yeah, I mean, immediately after the executive order, it's the pharmaceutical companies whose stocks surged, who are developing psychedelic treatments, until there is really broad discussion

decriminalisation, which there still hasn't been for cannabis, even, you know, despite this latest rescheduling, until that really happens, I think that, you know, advocates, at least left-wing advocates, will be left sort of disappointed and, you know, even as it stands, they don't think Trump, you know, unsurprisingly is going to be the one that sort of delivers full liberation for, you know, these people, these psychonauts and these plants.

I mean, really, the conversation around psychedelics owes a lot to him having kind of folks like Aubrey Marcus on his podcast, you know, more than a decade ago.

And, you know, the early kind of

manosphere folks that were you know kind of giving a hall pass to the listeners to be able to sort of go to the jungle and do ayahuasca and it not be considered a sort of lame thing to be doing well as you say i think it's very easy to kind of feel like you're looking at a different world entirely when observing the trump universe so may the bus be thank you so much thanks very much

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