Mike Carruthers

And I don't know that I want to live my life that way, where I'm always on alert.

I'm always looking for trouble.

I think it's human nature though, that if you live a life that is relatively safe and

Seldom does anything dangerous happen to you.

Seldom do the people you know have anything dangerous happen to them.

It's very hard to stay vigilant against danger.

You almost feel foolish being so vigilant when nothing ever really seems to happen.

When you look at the practices and the procedures that are in place for businesses or schools or whatever, what are the things where you see the weak spots?

Where are the problems?

Well, I think the thinking is, though, that you could run out of the classroom or run out of your workplace and run right into the guy with a gun, that you're better off hiding.

He can't see you, so he's less likely to shoot you.

there but there are there are situations i think where you know we there's conflicting advice of you know if if somebody asks for your wallet just give it to them because then you're going to avoid but there are other times where you don't comply because if you're getting put here's the thing if yeah you're no you're exactly right if someone is going to give you if someone asks for your wallet give them your wallet but don't give them your wallet throw it behind them because they care about your wallet they don't care about you so give them your wallet but throw it behind them as soon as they turn around run

Well, it makes sense.

And that's advice I hope I never have to use.

Spencer Corson has been my guest.

He is a nationally recognized threat management expert.

And the name of his book is The Safety Trap, a security expert's secrets for staying safe in a dangerous world.

And you'll find a link to that book at Amazon in the show notes.

Thank you, Spencer.

Thanks for being here.