Nicola Talent

So at this point, he has a conviction for procuring an under 18 minor in the States where he was convicted.

18 was the legal age.

So what happens is that in the aftermath of this incident,

Sarah Ferguson gives an interview, I think, to the Evening Standard.

And later that interview is picked up by the Telegraph and various other media.

And in the interview, she says that she doesn't want any more to do with Epstein.

She's known him and he's loaned her money, she says.

And she wants to get that money back to him and she calls him a paedophile.

And Sarah Ferguson, of course, you know, is who she is and has been as, you know, she's not then married, I don't think, to Prince Andrew.

I think they're ex-partners, but they have that weird sort of ongoing friendship that they have enjoyed.

And she's still living essentially off the royals.

Well, for either of them.

But anyway, you know, she's still living in the palace properties and trying to live off the... Live off her.

So Epstein has come out of jail, as you say, and he's trying to, you know,

He's trying to... Relaunch himself, really.

And kind of, like, you know, minimize the damage to his reputation.

Exactly.

So he has this PR advisor called Mike Citric, and he's known as the LA Wizard of Spin.

Yeah.

And Citric has represented some of the most high-profile...