Rishi Keshe Hirway

I've had this unique experience of getting to talk so closely with other people about their songs.

I find that when the language is very, very specific and the stories are really, really specific,

It's just more evocative, and I can relate to it in some more poignant way.

So I wanted to do that.

I just wanted to be as honest about it.

Yeah, I think that's true.

Yeah, I mean, it almost felt karmically unfair if I weren't.

But no, I think just the process of being an interviewer, learning how to do that, I tried to ask myself something similar.

Can you go deeper than that?

Can you be more bare about that?

Or what is the feeling under that feeling?

I think that interviewing someone when it goes well

can feel almost like therapy and I'm sure you know that.

So I got into the practice of listening for those specific details and those phrases that felt really meaningful and honest and then trying to dig those out of myself.

I think that this idea of finding time to make something of my own as opposed to doing the work of the podcast or something like that is still really, really hard.

I think that it's even harder now, not just because I have adult obligations and I have a job and things like that, but I think also just the constant form of distraction.

The fact that I have my phone on me all the time

makes songwriting really hard.

I'm not talking about the moment where you like sit down and like, okay, now I'm going to work on music.

It used to be, I think that songwriting was sort of a background process that would be running when the rest of my CPU was kind of in a, in an idle state.