Ryan McFarlane

And then I invited Liam to come out because he had done so much of the technical analysis that we needed another expert set of eyes on what we are seeing.

So we had hard numbers that they defrauded people out of $4 million.

Defraud?

Yeah.

Well, in total, made $4 million.

Just on the eBay fraud alone.

Owen's doing traffic analysis.

Liam's doing reverse engineering.

We have data intercepts on the command and control infrastructure.

We're addressing topics like encryption and crypto mining and being a vendor on the dark web to...

essentially folks that that are not cyber savvy and frankly the entire team did a great job of taking this complex evidence and making it relatable to the jury and understanding a lot of what we did it was was truly education of what we had and why it was important in in very common terms

I think the other thing that is sometimes lost in this is that each one of these victims, this does something different to each one of them, right?

So any one of us may lose $7,000 and we'd write it up to, man, I made a huge mistake there.

But the folks that were being victimized here

You know, they were folks that really couldn't afford an extra $7,000, right?

They were buying a vehicle to get to work.

Some of these victims, you know, caused a lot of strife in their relationships, where, you know, one person in the relationship said, no, that sounds like a scam, don't do it, and they did it anyway, and they lost it, and it started, you know, kind of a downfall in that relationship.

We had some folks that were divorced over this.

We had... What was that for?

Well, because they basically disagreed that, well, when they lost the money, it caused such strife in the relationship that they... You idiot, you got scammed.