Sam Pinkleton

Like that's not the vibe.

Yeah, yeah.

So in a way, I think it's linked to O'Mary, and frankly, other things that I'm the most proud of, in that it's just felt like a process with people.

Do you agree?

It's true.

Oh, I mean, well, this was the incredible, iconic Sam Mendes production of Cabaret with Alan Cumming.

And it was...

Like, the most formative experience of theater for me, that production.

Yeah.

And, yeah, I would come up on the weekends and volunteer Usher and sit on the stairs in the mezzanine and watch Cabaret.

That's amazing.

It's really wild.

Wow.

But that production...

was i don't know i just had never seen a thing do what it did with musical theater which up until that point was like a very specific kind of jazz hands thing i couldn't believe i got to be there it felt like naughty in a perfect way and it's studio 54 has always been my favorite theater um so yeah the serendipity is bonkers

It very much, you know, I mentioned I spent a lot of time talking to people who love Rocky and hate Rocky and have feelings about Rocky.

And one of the threads through all of it was that Rocky Horror has always been this kind of receptacle for folks who you're like, how did they end up here?

It's what makes sense about it is that it doesn't make sense.

Even when you watch the film, you're like, who are these people and how are they a family?

Yeah.