Sanne de Boer

Everybody came out of their houses.

Everybody was also very supportive of that family that was killed.

obviously heartbroken and shocked and very much afraid of what this would mean.

But it was very significant that I realized nobody was calling the police.

She never filed a police report.

Everybody helped to put out the fire.

And eventually she quit her job and she moved away, sadly enough, as well.

be as discreet as possible and still get some information.

But I realized the complexity of this all and the great emotional impact that this criminal presence had on regular people.

And I think that was probably also

a very important factor in me wanting to investigate eventually, because actually I'm not very much of a true crime reader or I wasn't even in so much into the subject.

But but living in Calabria, realizing how normal criminal power looks,

And how sophisticated this just infiltrates into society.

Also in the Netherlands, which was another important factor that made me want to get to know more about this, was just eye-opening to me.

And it really helped me fuel all these years of research and writing.

That is what Italian law enforcement has said for many years, early 2000s up until maybe 10 years ago.

They were definitely a very large factor in the cocaine smuggling all over the world.

And that's probably an Australian-Dutch connection as well there because it's in Holland, it's in Southern Holland and Belgium that most of the world's ecstasy is produced.

So it was very probably produced in the Netherlands, then brought to Italy and...

transported to Australia.