Sanne de Boer

Yes, I believe it's their largest part of their income.

They do, of course, also make a lot of money from just public contracts.

And

some extortion, not always extortion as in asking for protection money directly, but often also forcing people to buy products that are really highly priced.

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

In our country, there's a lot of investments in the hospitality sector, but it could be anything.

And I believe also in Australia, there's, of course, the construction sector, the agriculture, many, many areas.

What we've seen in investigations usually is that Ndrangheta clans collaborate with other more violent criminal groups in all these territories so that what they actually do is that they come away with, they get away with it basically because

The more violent criminal groups get targeted by law enforcement.

And that's what was brought to light by Operation Ironside in Australia.

And it was in 2022 that the motorcycle, the outlaw motorcycle gangs were actually collaborating with the Drangheta in the drug smuggling case.

Crime as a service, they call it, I believe.

Yeah, yeah.

So when these criminal groups get a chance to sort of evolve, and this is what happens.

Their exploitation is not just of regular citizens, but it's also of other crime groups.

Right, exactly.

I think this is probably true for all over the world.

Definitely here in Europe, we are aware of the Italian mafia for us is something of a little bit of the past.

We think of the American movies that are made about it.

So that's even the American Cosa Nostra, you could say, quite a romantic kind of image.