Saskia Vandoorne

And to then be faced with the police who will maybe question what you're bringing to them, you know, re-traumatises the survivor because they are already in a very fragile state of not being able to trust themselves because, again, they have no memory of the abuse.

I just want to tell you this is one of the best interviews I've ever had.

It is because many of these drugs, they leave the body within 12 hours.

So first of all, you need to be able to know that you've been drugged, go to the hospital, try and go and get a drugs test whilst you still can.

And then...

We're talking about cases where the men filmed it, but in so many cases, they don't.

And Gemma, since our investigation was published and we have been inundated with messages from survivors, too, in Australia, who are telling us,

I'm pretty sure this happened, but I have no videos, no photos.

I never took a drugs test.

We're separated now.

But when I look back at what happened, I remember memory loss.

I remember waking up with bruises that were there, you know, that I couldn't explain.

And and so it's a terrible puzzle for these women who are trying to put it back together.

And and and they'll always be this element of doubt.

And there's no way that they can prove it.

So conviction state, you know, incredibly hard to get.

And it's a long road to justice.

And with all of these survivors who have been getting in touch, a big majority of them have said, you know, I went to the police, but it was his word versus mine because I just didn't have any evidence to bring forward.

And and that's why it's really hard for those survivors to move on with their lives.

I had no idea that this was such a pervasive crime.