Saskia Vandoorne

And Giselle Pelico was, it was an awakening.

And the more I cover, you know, these spaces, these cases, the more that, you know, they seem to pop up in different countries.

And I think the reason also that we're not speaking about it enough is because

even just the term drug facilitated sexual assault, I don't know if it is really adequate enough to describe what's going on here.

In French, they have the word chemical submission.

And I think that is way more descriptive and accurate because that is what the men here are trying to do.

They want

the women to be completely within their control.

They want to have control over the women.

They want to be, once again, submitting these women to their will.

I believe that this kind of crime, now that we're beginning to notice it, now that we're beginning to, I guess, you know, we're awake, we're looking into it, we are covering it more.

We're not just dismissing this as, oh, this is another case of domestic abuse, because

It is domestic abuse, but it's a very specific type of domestic abuse.

And I go back to Dominic Palacos, Giselle Bellico being the start, the beginning.

And I think once you kind of have your eyes open to it, you will begin noticing these cases a lot more often.

And we've been speaking with UK lawmakers, in fact, to look at laws to see, you know, MPs here are looking into, are they adequate enough?

Are the laws out there fit to deal with this type of emerging crime?

put kind of like boundaries around what this was so that we could then lead to more convictions is that helping at all yes exactly so that was all about you know consent and yes means yes rather than no means no so it really brings the consent issue first uh at the front of this and i think that it's a great uh first step but as you and i were just saying jemma

you know, proving a rape case in court does remain really difficult.

And the overall conviction rate remains incredibly low.