Scott Mann

And I just think that's what the country needs.

We need politicians who do that.

We need teachers who do that.

We need moms and dads who do that and who have these interpersonal skills.

We've all got the coercive skills, like you said.

There's plenty of that.

But where are the skills about just making better human connections and being a better storyteller and being a better listener?

Because that's actually where reciprocity happens and we form collectives that can actually do the things you're talking about at a community level, coming together and demanding action.

And we need leaders who have those skillsets when nobody's coming.

And I think that's how we get big shit done, right, is getting back to the human operating system, back to our nature, getting out of these phones,

and into what allows us and allows our grandfathers and grandmothers to connect.

It's an old school set of skills, but it's completely atrophied, especially with COVID.

So that's a great question.

And so let's just unpack it.

The first thing that I have in my book is when we talk about the churn, right?

There's an old saying in special ops, it's a special ops imperative, is know your operational environment, right?

It's the first soft imperative.

And I think that's true today in the world that we live in, is the churn.

And what I tell people is, first of all, you've got to understand the true enemy of what you're up against when you're trying to influence and get big shit done.

The enemy is not the Republican or the Democrat in front of you.