Seamus McGrath

yeah i understand the point you're making david but what we're talking about here is from now on these units that will be made available under the rental room scheme under this system will be subject to certification that is going over and above what's currently there there is no certification under the rental room scheme now albeit it's in the private

residential structure that the landlord themselves lives in but that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be of a good quality what we're talking about here is is a separate ancillary independent unit that will be certified and it will be up to a certain standard in terms of that and look i do think the language we use here in terms of racking and stacking i think we need to be careful here

If Owen is asking that we have proper scrutiny and proper detailed discussion and that we can work together on this, that's something we facilitate.

But we do have to be moderate in the type of language we use here.

We do not want to be scaremongering or sending out the wrong signals here.

We do, but terms like racking, for example, this will be subject to height restrictions.

It will be subject to square area restrictions.

It will be subject to restrictions in terms of distance to neighbouring properties.

There will be a lot of terms and conditions apply here.

It has been very carefully considered and calibrated, but we do have to move forward here.

We can't constantly be criticised for not providing accommodation units.

And when we do come up with proposals, we meet stalling and, you know,

trying to restrict what we can bring forward.

I'm not saying Owen's doing that.

He's offered that we will sit down and scrutinise this and I certainly will try and accommodate that.

Can I just clarify, and I appreciate none of us have seen the detail here, but my understanding is, just to clarify that point around certification, my understanding is that is absolutely the case in terms of fire and building regulations.

These will be treated as new structures

and they will be subject to that certification I think that's a very important point and I appreciate Owen hasn't seen that detail any more than I have but I obviously have had certain briefing on it so it is important to stress that point in terms of that but look I again would point that the delay in bringing these forward is a good thing because we we do have to ensure that these are brought forward in a way that they have been carefully considered we will have further discussion on this and the points around you know tenants and their rights and so on like that are discussions we can have at the housing committee

But it is important that we move forward.

It is important that we bring new ideas to the table here.