Sean Hollister

They've been building the groundwork for them to run there.

There is so much demand and always has been for battery life that is...

finally coming around to being realized on arm and on the chips that are now being you know uh insert by arm at every corner that i think we could do this uh now

How much performance do you need?

How much battery life do you need?

Are you willing to wait the few more years for them to figure it out?

Or do you want them to take what they got right now and try to like force it into this shape?

That's exactly right.

A lot of it, to be frank, was driven by this moment that Apple had, where Apple was like, we are going to ditch Intel.

We're going to make our own silicon.

It is built on ARM.

It is built on the fabric that we've been putting into our phones and

ARM generates the intellectual property.

They don't actually build chips until maybe one very recently.

It's changing right now, literally right now, because they just have their own dang chip.

And I'm like, but you don't do this.

You told us for like 12 years that you don't do this, and now you're doing this.

So Apple brings out this M1, the M1 chip.

And it is... I have... My wife works as a subcontractor for Apple, so I don't report stories about Apple.

I don't edit stories about Apple, but I do mention them on things like The Verge Casting, since we're asking about history.