Shahroo Izadi

And I started learning about how you can help people who don't necessarily want to change.

So these people hadn't come in for drug treatment.

These were ambivalent people.

These weren't rock bottom people who'd come to meetings.

Right.

So I thought, hold on, these people, this goes against rock bottom.

This goes against people saying, you know,

when people really want to change, they'll turn up.

These people got arrested.

Some of them, you know, some of them don't want to stop using.

Some of them don't think they're problematic users.

Right.

Some of them are dealers and I can clearly see that, but they've slipped through the net, you know, things like that.

And so I had to understand how is it that I help a person who I've got for this period of time to generally want to take better care of themselves because talking about drugs all day is not going to help this.

They have got to have an aspirational model.

P.S.

They're not going to go to meetings.

Right.

Because for various reasons, they don't want to share.

Right.