Steve

And at that point, I said, I need to switch my career direction away from the negative side of human deviance to look at the positive side.

I mean, yes, we biological creatures are frightened by the thought of death, but it was the most beautiful experience. How so? Well, it's hard to put into language, into words, to tell you what joy I felt, that I would be just overwhelmed with this sense of peace and bliss and love. Hmm.

I mean, yes, we biological creatures are frightened by the thought of death, but it was the most beautiful experience. How so? Well, it's hard to put into language, into words, to tell you what joy I felt, that I would be just overwhelmed with this sense of peace and bliss and love. Hmm.

I mean, yes, we biological creatures are frightened by the thought of death, but it was the most beautiful experience. How so? Well, it's hard to put into language, into words, to tell you what joy I felt, that I would be just overwhelmed with this sense of peace and bliss and love. Hmm.

Very similar.

Very similar.

Very similar.

Yeah. It often happens at a deathbed when grieving relatives are around a loved one who is dying, that they'll go along at least partway and experience the transition. What do you think that is? Well, I think it's like going home. I'm pretty convinced that we are much larger than our biological selves, that we also have a spiritual component to our psyche.

Yeah. It often happens at a deathbed when grieving relatives are around a loved one who is dying, that they'll go along at least partway and experience the transition. What do you think that is? Well, I think it's like going home. I'm pretty convinced that we are much larger than our biological selves, that we also have a spiritual component to our psyche.

Yeah. It often happens at a deathbed when grieving relatives are around a loved one who is dying, that they'll go along at least partway and experience the transition. What do you think that is? Well, I think it's like going home. I'm pretty convinced that we are much larger than our biological selves, that we also have a spiritual component to our psyche.

And the spiritual component, I don't know that it's infinite or eternal, but it's close. Much closer to that. It's much, much larger than just being a homo sapien here on planet Earth.

And the spiritual component, I don't know that it's infinite or eternal, but it's close. Much closer to that. It's much, much larger than just being a homo sapien here on planet Earth.

And the spiritual component, I don't know that it's infinite or eternal, but it's close. Much closer to that. It's much, much larger than just being a homo sapien here on planet Earth.

That's right.

That's right.

That's right.

Well, I agonized over it. Like, how do I change my career? How do I find a path that will allow me to devote my lifetime to looking at what I call the positive side of human deviance, which is mysticism, creativity, psychic functioning, and intuition? And, you know, I was at one of the world's great universities, but they didn't have programs along those lines.

Well, I agonized over it. Like, how do I change my career? How do I find a path that will allow me to devote my lifetime to looking at what I call the positive side of human deviance, which is mysticism, creativity, psychic functioning, and intuition? And, you know, I was at one of the world's great universities, but they didn't have programs along those lines.

Well, I agonized over it. Like, how do I change my career? How do I find a path that will allow me to devote my lifetime to looking at what I call the positive side of human deviance, which is mysticism, creativity, psychic functioning, and intuition? And, you know, I was at one of the world's great universities, but they didn't have programs along those lines.

Yeah. You see, I'm a child of the 1960s. Hmm. My undergraduate work went from 1965 to 69. I was exposed to the human potential movement. I was exposed to psychedelics. You were in college during the Vietnam War? Yes. The University of Wisconsin. Oh, wow. I did a senior honors thesis on the psychology of religious mysticism. So I was very aware of the literature at that point.