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Chapter 1: What insights did Landon Ferraro share about Mitch Marner's performance?
Welcome back to Canucks Talk Sportsnet 650. Jamie Dodd, Thomas Drance. We are live from the Kintec studio. 650-650 is the Dunbar Lumber text line. Trusted by contractors and DIY champions across Metro Vancouver for generations. Find them at three convenient locations or visit Dunbar Lumber online. Today, now joining us in studio, and apparently we've given him a new title.
We've got a fancy video. I don't know if we're going to use this or if it's just for my benefit, but I'm seeing a video board that says Landon Ferraro, in addition to being a former Canuck, is now the Canucks head of NHL Draft Insights. It's interesting. I don't know. Why did we make this? I will say. Or is he the Canucks talk head of it?
What are we doing here? Dom added the draft insights part, but we've gone to a point where he's checking. Are you coming in on Monday? Right. And it used to be, Hey, hope you have a great weekend. Are you coming in on Monday? I got a text tomorrow. Question mark. I'm like, you got to give me something here.
And so he sent this back, and then he's obviously made some improvements to it, but I might have demanded that I wanted that now.
It is interesting you get to that point as a producer with your regulars where you're like... I'm tired of being polite.
I just need to know. Well, once he said that, I'm like, well, you can do better than spelling out tomorrow. Let's improve next Monday.
I got to a point with I used to have to set up a weekly hit with Brendan Morrison. And eventually it was just like, you good? And he'd do the thumbs up react. I was like, that's all we needed to do.
We're done with pleasantries. You know what I'm waiting for? And I don't know if we'll get there because maybe it just means he like actually cares about his job. But the fact of like, maybe I don't need a text. Yeah. It's Monday at the same time every week. I'm just trusting you. It's like I'm, I have like, I'm 35. I have a kid I take care of. I can get to one appointment a week.
No, Dom has to text you, though. Even if it's a sure thing, he still has to text you.
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Chapter 2: What are the implications of the goaltending debate for the Canucks?
They're designed to protect you from pucks hitting you.
You know, like, it's a very different... There's no thought of hitting.
Right, there's no thought of being hit. Yeah, and there's no thought of... I mean, it doesn't matter what position you are.
Anything from the side, you're not expecting. Your neck is not ready for it. For sure. And you generally can... And this is where I say, like, I... don't think you have to pull them right away because it's a lot of time. You're fine through that game because you're moving. Everything is moving. It's the next day you wake up and it is like your throat has been filled with cement.
You can't move anywhere.
I just think about though, the Bennett on, who was it? What was a Stolarz? Bennett on Stolarz. Florida gets an easy one. They get a soft one. And then Stolarz is vomiting on the bench and gets pulled. You know what I mean? Like, I just want to be there before the soft one.
Like, I would honestly... I honestly feel like a team should just be telling their goaltenders and their players, like, if there's contact to our goaltender's head like that, in these high-stakes games, they're coming out. They're coming out. You have to be ready, not just for bad performance. They're coming out. And I'll live with it. I'll live with...
With a soft one coming off the bench?
I'll live with my backup struggling as opposed to feeling like I left a goalie in whose faculties weren't 100% there.
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Chapter 3: How does Coach Babcock's coaching style impact the Canucks?
I got to do it at home. My mom was with me. We thought we were having like a fun game. I got knocked out that year. I could not get back to my score. I had to tell them that I did it with my mom in the summer. I had no idea. No one told me what it was for. It's come a long way since then. And I have gotten a lot of knowledge through I've had a lot of concussions and learning about it.
I still didn't take myself out at games when I, looking back, definitely knew I should have. Right. Right? Like, I'm not going to do that. I got hit once. Mark Stone got suspended for it when I was playing in Detroit. I knew that if I let myself be out of the lineup there, I was going on waivers. It ended up I hurt my knee a month later and happened anyway, but I wasn't letting that happen.
If someone else didn't take me out, I'm not coming out.
Yeah.
And that, like, the trainers, it's tough for them to, like, it needs to be that separation.
Yeah. And Shane and Edgemont text in, if a spotter is scared, what the blank are they paid to do? And I take that point, but it's like a lot of what we're talking about is it's very difficult, if not impossible, to design a system that completely removes, like, human bias, human emotion from it. You can try, but there's always going to be...
There's always going to be that thing in the back of their head where it's like, this is a Stanley Cup final game. It's tough to take this guy out.
I just think at the end of the day, and I think your experience illustrates this, like, If it's on the players, if it's on the teams, they're going to play fast and loose with it. If you care about this, it needs to be independently done based on an objective and rigidly adhered to strategy that is not adjusted for the stakes of the game.
And we all just have to accept that this is going to be the cost of enjoying this sport in a way that doesn't result in... you know, a huge proportion of players who compete at high levels, you know, having CTE and having later in life complications. Like, I think that's the conversation. Anyway, I didn't mean to steer this in this direction.
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Chapter 4: What challenges does the Canucks' amateur scouting face?
I love it. Do I get to move a seat to my right?
This is what dreams are made of, Jamie. What, you're getting fired?
Yes. Finally, more time off. JV, does my promotion come with the desk as well? The other chair, yeah. No, no, the chair is fine, but does it come with the desk? I think so. I think you're entitled to it.
You can have this desk. I actually don't like it because I can't see my, we have a monitor on the ground. You can't see your beautiful image in the monitor. I can't like, you know, I like to be able to monitor my image. Monitor your monitor?
Yeah, monitor the monitor. I've never really been clear why it's on the ground. I think it's so that we can see the producers. Yeah, but like we could put it up there. There's a lot of space on that window. Fair enough. I feel like it's within our grasp. We could figure it out.
I've made the monitor just Thomas so he can monitor himself.
Oh, thank you. So we got the big picture view. I still can't see it over my giant laptop, but there we go.
There we go.
All right.
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Chapter 5: Which combine prospects should Canucks fans watch for?
That's a lot. I look at mine. I'm like, man, this is not good. Shut up, Connor. Three hours is nothing. You're better than me even with this.
All right. I do want to talk a little Canucks with you as well. And, of course, on your podcast, 100% Canucks, with John Shannon, you guys interviewed Canucks.
ryan johnson on your latest episode and really interesting interview encourage everyone to go check it out we had a texter text in that they hadn't listened to the podcast before but they made a point of it for that one and thought you did a great job uh with the interview what did you take away primarily from getting the chance to chat directly with rj i don't know like it's more for me like i've gotten to know him a little bit now over the past couple years and even while he was in vancouver playing and skating in the summer when he'd come back
I would say more solidifying everything that I already kind of know about him. I just like the fact that he is able to... He is so sure in his and their plan that this is the right thing. And whatever comes at us, we'll figure it out as it comes. We'll have to be able to adapt and keep figuring it out.
But everything went back to like a point of saying, we all understand how patient we have to be. And even when John pressed him again later in it of, okay, but when something like this happens, can you stay patient? Say, gets the free agency and you got a lot of money. He's like, no, we have to build through the draft. We have to take our time.
I think he's someone that is strong enough in his own beliefs, surrounded by the Sedins and now Manny, that they're all kind of built in that same cloth of, no, this is it, and we're here to hold each other accountable. That was what I liked, too, was almost them being able to hold each other accountable if they start straying a little bit.
But for him talking about how they want to go at playing the young guys... And, you know, like I brought up Raw too, right? Like we've talked a ton about him and, you know, I feel like he's done almost everything he can without just them finally just giving him more ice to see what that can be and asking like him and Lekker back. He like. where do you draw the line on?
Now you're in a full rebuild. Like you need to see what they are. They've been over long enough and you're getting a bit older. Like you need to know what they have, but you can't just give it to them. And the way that he could talk through essentially him saying, if the guy's not hungry enough and demands it out of us, that's not the right player for us.
Anyway, that's me paraphrasing, but that's what I took out of it. I love that, right? Like I want to know I have a chance. And if I put in the work and I really keep pushing, they're going to give me that opportunity, but it's up to me.
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Chapter 6: What potential trades could reshape the Canucks' roster?
We're a month into Ryan Johnson's tenure. He's made one management hire.
Yeah, I just think it's hard.
That's tough. It is tough. If you told me that on the day he was hired, I'd be like, that's worrying. And I just, I can't let my regard for him as a guy and as the twins, as people, and as, you know, my belief in Manny Malhotra is a really good bet as a coach, like detract from the big picture that's like the rate of change has been too slow and insufficient in my opinion. Is that fair or no?
I don't know. No, I'm not going to argue that it's not. It's the kind of thing that's tough because we could get a hire tomorrow. What if there's three hires this afternoon? What if there's three hires this week? But there better be. What I would say is there better be. If there's three hires this week, I'll be so glad that my concerns are baseless because there better be.
But I'd also say that without us being behind those doors, we've all heard... More and more trickle out of what the room has been like. Like, just things that have gone on around here. And, like, how long does it take to figure that out and clean up that first? Like, you got to break it... Down a bit more before you go again. I'm just without being in there like we don't know. So I understand.
That's why I'm saying I'm not going to argue that that's not fair. What you're saying, because one higher and it's the higher that we all said was going to happen before it happened. Yeah. Right. Like even the casual fan. Oh, sorry. I meant Hermiston. One higher as a management level.
I'm not counting Manny. Because I would say they were pretty decisive in moving on from foot. That would be the work that I like the best. That moved at a decent pace. Maybe it took three days longer than you ideally would with Malhotra, but I don't care about that beyond it may be being evidence that they had to negotiate a little bit harder than you'd like to see from a budgetary standpoint.
Maybe there's some signal there, but I don't know that to be... It's not sufficient for me to say that that's a concern. I have no problem with how the coaching stuff went down generally. I would say that a month in... you know, like a month in Chayka hired Freddie Hamilton to be his chief of staff and poached another team's director of amateur scouting by giving them a title before the draft.
You get bonus points for that. That's like a trick shot, right? Because that's not easy to do before the draft. Um, you know meta began to put his imprint on and hired a guy in Braden Burch who's like a high-end workhorse on paperwork executor you know what I mean like that's who Braden Burch is and then McFarlane brought in Rob Blake in two days Right.
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Chapter 7: How do the Sedins and Ryan Johnson plan to approach the rebuild?
I would put Besser pretty low on the list of ones I would expect. Yeah. I'd be pretty surprised if we're talking about that next year.
But I'm just saying, if we get through to training camp next year and like they've shed DeBrusque. You know, they've shed DeBrusque and it's been the same scouting staff that made the draft. To me, it's like, can you do one other significant move other than DeBrusque? At least it's got to be right. Like, I don't know. You have time. This market's going to be patient.
And these guys are so likable and so good at messaging and so calm and so composed. But I do think there's two sort of risks that I just outlined. One is that they get the Kyle Davidson train.
where we all confuse losing for strategy, but we believe so much and want so much for these guys to be successful that we just kind of live with the fact that like, yeah, like, yeah, then obviously what you want them to win. It's like, no, I just want them to make smart value minded moves. It's like, well, they are. And it's like, no, they're not right.
Like, and we just live in that space for four years, but I'll be honest with you. I think the truth is, is that that's a much better case scenario than the actual bad case scenario, which is that the,
perpetual impatience of this organization really only gives this team like an 18-month window to significantly restock the futures before there's going to be a sense of internal pressure once again on these guys, which, by the way, is also tied into their three-year contract extension timelines.
And so they better be super aggressive about rebuilding now because their runway is way shorter than they realize. And that's why the pace of change matters.
And see, I... And I know this... Oh, man, this sounds naive and I don't like that I'm saying it, but... I don't think they care of rushing to their three-year timeline. Because if they know, in my eyes, listening to them talk, I have the belief that they believe if we do it right, we do it patient, we do it the way that we're laying out now... Our three years doesn't matter.
It's not even popping into their head. And I don't think it's going to.
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Chapter 8: What are the long-term expectations for the Canucks' management and players?
As a general rule, I'm supportive of children. I don't like it when adults do it. It is. It's not their fault that they haven't, you know, developed a sense of refined taste yet.
I love that it's an actual curriculum in high school is jazz band. And you think of it as like an illegitimate art form.
I wouldn't say it's an, I'm supportive of all types of expression. I just don't like it. Wow. What? Drance comes out in favor of hate speech. Wow. You're so woke.
You support all forms of expression.
That's fair enough. I support all forms of expression. Yeah. Absolutist.
I'm an absolutist. Freedom of expression. Absolutist. That is an opinion that exists in the world.
It is. Except you can't yell fire in a burning building. There's obviously a difference between my dislike of jazz and hate speech. No, I'm not an absolutist at all. That's not a thing. And by the way, no one who says I'm a free speech absolutist actually is.
They just don't like when you're mad at them for saying the things you don't want them to say, but also don't want you to say the things they disagree with. I'm sure there's one or two out there that I'm pretty confident. I'm pretty confident they're just thin skin babies.
Generally speaking, not a real thing. He's also the same person who said that anything is not possible. So that's also a... Anything is not possible. He's not an absolutist. Sure.
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