Lit Witches: A Fantasy Book Podcast
Yearning, angst and a Mr Darcy hand flex - Author Braidee Otto on her romantasy debut 'Songbird of the Sorrows'
20 Apr 2026
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Chapter 1: What themes does Braidee Otto explore in 'Songbird of the Sorrows'?
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A story on the surface can appear just to be a story, but when you look beneath, there's so much more meaning within it as well. Even for something like romanticism, I think that romanticism is such an accessible genre these days.
And a lot of people sometimes brush it off, but I feel like there's so many people that are kind of brushing it off maybe because it's a genre that's enjoyed so widely by women. But like everything that I have read, I feel like you can take so much more meaning from them.
Hello, and a very warm welcome to Lit Witches, the podcast for fantasy readers, writers, and all things in between. I'm your host, Adelaide Jensen, and today I'm joined by Brady Otto. Welcome, Brady. Thank you for having me. Thank you for coming on the podcast. Brady is the debut author of the romantic songbird of the Sorrows, the first in the Myth of the Imperious series.
So when we start our podcast, we like to get to know our chosen one with a fun question. What is your favorite font?
Oh, I think I'm a Garamond girlie. That's stylish. Yeah. It's like not quite Times New Roman, but in the same kind of family, but also not. That's a good font choice.
Yeah. I approve. I approve of your font choice. Thank you so much. All right. And can you tell me what is the book or series that shaped you and your love of fantasy?
I think it like we're going way, way back. So when I was like nine years old, Del Toro Quest. Have you read it? Hell yeah. I'm obsessed.
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Chapter 2: How did Braidee Otto overcome self-doubt to write her debut novel?
I think I actually need to do a reread. I hope it will still stand up today. I think Emily Rotter is timeless. Yes, yes. I honestly like it was just such an awakening for me. I attempted to first read it during like reading time at school and And do you know how, like, were you ever divided into those different reading group levels?
Not that I can remember.
I remember there was like, so obviously, like, you know, if you weren't a very good reader, you were in like the platypus or something. And then like the top one was like the carousel. What? I don't know. I can't, maybe I'm making that up. But I remember grabbing it off the shelf and it was in a much higher level than I was allowed to read from. And my teacher...
kind of took it away from me and told me off in front of the whole class. So then I spite read that whole series and it just completely opened a whole other world for me, I suppose, that really kind of changed the way I was able to read and my interest in fantasy.
Oh, I'm so glad you did read it because you'd think that you would be encouraged to read things.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, instead I was like shamed. It was like probably one of the most shameful moments of my life, particularly because when I then reattempted to read it like in the class and hide it behind another book and pretend that I was reading it, I couldn't. So like, yeah, I...
felt so ashamed at being called out in front of everyone else and then coming to the realisation that, oh, she's right. She's right about me.
No, she's not. Oh, my God. Okay, we're going to abandon the whole podcast. Now we're going to spend an hour unpacking this for you. This is going to be Lit Witches therapy.
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Chapter 3: What inspired the Greek mythology elements in 'Songbird of the Sorrows'?
Every episode of Lit Witches is therapy. All right, well, we're here today to talk about The Songbird of the Sorrows and the Myth of the Imperious series. Can you please give us a quick elevator pitch for the book?
Songbird of the Sorrows is about an outcast princess-toned spy who's tasked with infiltrating a rival kingdom by competing in a series of bridal trials. And while she's there, she must navigate the tangled web of duty, desire, and danger. And in the end, she ultimately has to choose whether she's going to follow orders or defy them.
Oh, I love it. And this series really has all the things that I love in a good romantic. It's got assassins. It's got secret princesses. It's got heists, trials, and of course, romance with dark brooding men. We love dark brooding men. We do love them. And before we get too much into the book specifically, can you tell me what got you starting with writing?
Yeah, so I think like I've always from that moment back to that moment when I first started reading and really fell in love with it. I always had the dream of being an author. Like I have kind of always written since then. I think I really started to get into writing when I was around 12 years old. and English became my favorite subject at school.
I went on to study literature at university, and it's always been the thing that I've wanted to do, but I feel like I've always kind of, I haven't pursued it because I felt like I wanted to have more life experience so that I could write with emotion. And maybe I was just procrastinating and trying to put it off because I like I still doubted that I could do it.
And then I kind of just hit a point in my life. And this is a similar thing that is explored in the book when you kind of like you look back on all of the things that you've done and where you are and you kind of realize that. this isn't the life you kind of expected for yourself and you haven't done the things that you've wanted to do or pursued the dreams that you've always had.
So I really kind of hit that moment where I was like, I'm finally going to do it. And I set myself a deadline of like my 30th birthday to have my first book written. And I think, yeah, kind of just putting aside everything else and drowning out all of the other noise and sitting down and was the hardest thing for me, but I'm so glad that I finally did it.
Well, congratulations to you because that takes a lot of work and commitment to do that. But I think you're right.
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Chapter 4: What are the unique tropes used in the book and how do they enhance the story?
It's a really interesting point to wait until you're older because I think that really lends a lot of nuance to the book. What are some of the themes that you were really passionate about including?
Well, like the one I just spoke about, I think it's really interesting how in a lot of young adult fantasy we have that feeling kind of self-actualising, self-identity journey and exploring things like belonging.
And I think that at that point in time, I was like, this is actually really still relevant as an adult because there's all of these instances and scenarios that we kind of come across and we realise that Maybe we don't know exactly who we are, even though we probably should by now. So that was really a theme that I wanted to explore.
There is, of course, like oppression and power and kind of the weaponization of people and their bodies that I kind of delve into a bit more through here. And I really love exploring things like the duality of things, I suppose, like whether that's nature or whether that's people.
So like there's a lot of really pretty things throughout the book, but then we kind of, as we get to learn more about them and as Aella kind of learns more about the world that she's living in, she kind of realises that sometimes things that glitter also cut you too.
Yeah, wow. And how much did your English literature degree help you with all of that, do you think? Did it set you up well to become a writer?
I think so. There was one of these really interesting kind of techniques that were used a lot in my literature classes and particularly in ones that kind of focused on writing
I suppose, like writers that had very unique writing styles was this technique called copywriting, where you would essentially like, you know, you'd read a book by this author and then you would be tasked with a creative kind of response to write something unique and write your own story, but kind of copying that person's writing style. And I think doing...
Doing that with various different authors kind of taught me a lot about different ways of writing and different ways of conveying and creating meaning. And I think that really helped me develop my own personal style. So I think in that way, it's really helpful. But also just, I suppose, understanding how...
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Chapter 5: How does Braidee Otto incorporate trials and competitions in her narrative?
It's been around for ages. It just now has a name. It has this huge readership who are all reading so many books. But there is so much in every single one of them. And for some reason people think that romance equals kind of like shallow, you know, kind of themes and everything. It's completely the opposite.
So opposite. And I feel like maybe it's because they're themes that are so relevant to women. Honestly, it's really, really tricky and I think it's kind of a bit of a – like it's a little bit tied into the way that female fantasy authors used to, or like their work used to be always categorised as young adult, when really it should have been categorised as an adult kind of book.
But because it's written by women and because it kind of has a female protagonist, they're like, oh yeah, we'll just put this over in the young adult section. And I think something very similar is kind of happening within the romantasy space because I'm seeing a lot of romantasy being categorised as new adult, which is kind of like this in-between kind of genre.
Yeah, so it's really interesting to see all of this play out and I'm glad that there are a lot of conversations kind of emerging about it online.
Yeah, it is a really interesting time for the industry because we're kind of being faced with this huge influx of these romantasy books and authors and content. And so many readers just like can't get enough of it. And it's interesting what you say about the new adult thing because I find that really nuanced.
I feel like it's almost such a specific industry thing sometimes because it's like what is the actual, where is the line between YA, like young adult sort of for your teenagers? Is it because the characters are teens because they're going through a coming of age story? The new adult, they're a little bit older. Maybe they're faced with bigger world issues or whatever.
And then adult and really the only line I can see is how much like graphic sexual content is in there and maybe how much like gore or violence or whatever in there. Did you like have a particular part of this in mind when you started writing Songbird? Like did you – were you aiming for a particular – I don't want to say like age range audience because that's limiting but –
I don't think so. Like I think in my mind I read a lot of adults so I kind of was looking at adult but then I think it's also there's a lot of maybe like a lot of misinformation but also not enough information online about what determines what genre it is because I know like for me my characters are like they're between 20 and 30 depending on which character you're looking at.
So that could fit within that. the new adult or the adult, but then there's also the content that is in the story wouldn't be suitable for a younger audience to read. So I think that's why I've landed with adult. At the time of writing it, though, I was completely offline, so I wasn't really...
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Chapter 6: What is the significance of character relationships in Braidee Otto's writing?
I suppose across everything that was out in the market. Like at the time I was just kind of writing the story that I wanted to read and I wanted to tell. And then at the end I was kind of like retrofitting things like genre and tropes and all of that. So yeah, I feel like it could fit somewhere between the new adult and the adult.
Yeah. I think it kind of does, like, read as a disservice to just say, like, you are this age so this book is for you. Yes. Because really what we've seen is so many, especially teenage readers, reading up, you know, reading –
up into like the adult genre and they're no longer shopping in the YA section they're shopping in the fantasy section because those are the books they want to read and really it's a whole interesting societal discussion about where is the line of like what's appropriate I suppose for like various age ranges but
it's so important that people be able to pick and choose to read what they want I think yeah yeah and I mean like you know you go into a bookshop and nobody's going to be asking you for an ID to check your age if you're buying an adult book so I think like you know as long as it's categorized like new adult adult young adult correctly in terms of the content um people can choose what they want to read nobody wants to know what I was reading when I was 12 years old
Oh, we've all got those. It was definitely not age appropriate, but there was no one standing there and telling me that I couldn't, so I did.
You moved on swiftly from Emily Rodder to... Yes, yes.
It was a three-year gap, me reading all the young adult titles, and then all of a sudden I was in the adult section at the library.
What a time for you. What a time. I'm interested in what you just said about retrofitting your tropes. Tell me about that.
Yeah. So I was like, I wasn't, I didn't have Instagram. I didn't have TikTok. I wasn't on any of the social media platforms that people like authors are so often using to promote their work. So I wasn't seeing how much that marketing was was used, like how, like, you know, the trope graphics and all of those things. I didn't realise how big a part of the process that was.
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Chapter 7: How does Braidee Otto address darker themes in her fantasy novel?
And we've ended up with like a second chance romance forbidden love kind of mashup going on, which probably isn't a very popular trope at this time. I think it's very much the enemies to lovers is what's what's hot at the moment. And I was like, well, I can't just go and change that for the sake of what's popular. So I pretty much just pulled out what was already in there and went with that.
Nor should you change it because Second Chance Romance is still very powerful because it's all about the yearning. Yes. Which I think you do have in the book. Yes.
In spades. There is a bit of yearning and angst and things that I'm really big on like being that it is a book about spies. There is a lot of secrets and a lot of people not telling the truth about things and I am very cautious myself of spoilers. I think if I had it my way and if I could do it over again, I probably wouldn't market with tropes at all. Interesting.
And I'm going to see if I can convince Penguin Random House to do that for book two because, of course, this book ends on... Quite the cliffhanger. It sure does. And I kind of just want, like I miss the day of going into a book blind.
Well, to be honest, I don't think you need to because you've got everyone in now and it's kind of, it is fun when it is a surprise, but I think sometimes it's like the tropes really help people understand
find the next book they want to read and I think I do have to say though like though like you say these tropes are a bit spoilery like they are but I do think that with Songbird I was still like this could go anywhere like yeah which is really fun yeah I tried to kind of I suppose like use appropriate tropes but also keep things vague enough so that
people could kind of read through it and be like, oh, actually, I don't know where this is going.
There is a specific one I want to ask you about and be like, did you put this in here intentionally? There is a Mr Darcy hand moment. Do you even know what I'm talking about? Or was that just like something you did by accident?
Is that? Is that when they arrive at Eritrea, like the castle palace? And he like helps her off and then he's like.
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Chapter 8: What can readers expect from the sequel to 'Songbird of the Sorrows'?
And he helps her off. Yes. No, that was not intentional. But I'm glad that that's the way it comes across. Because that's perfect. I had to put the book down and I was like, yes.
All right. It's one of my favorite ones. I might have to get some art commissioned of that. You absolutely should. Those are the kind of emotive scenes that people love to see. Yes.
And, like, I feel like those little moments are almost like microtropes, I suppose, and I'm totally fine with using those in marketing. But, like, the big ticket items, I'm like, let's keep it a secret. How many books are going to be in the series? This is a trilogy. It was actually going to be a four-book series, but then I was like, I want –
three really jam-packed crazy books rather than four. I didn't want any saggy middle. Nobody wants that. It's what it's called now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I've kind of, I mean, Daughter of the Tempest, which is book two, it's pretty full on. It's pretty full on because it's almost like one and a half books squished into one book.
But in like, you know, not like a massive book, but just like in terms of the things that happen and the time that's covered and the action and everything is that, yeah, there's a lot packed in there.
I know you just said you don't want to give any trips or spoilers, but is there, like, any hints you can give me specifically? Because I gave you for the cliffhanger because book two is coming out so soon. It's coming out in October. But, like, I have to know.
Yes. Any spoilers?
Well, just, like, little hints.
Non-spoilery spoilers. It is actually a dual point of view story. Okay. Okay. But not the way people may be expecting for the genre. So I know, like, oftentimes there'll be a book one is a single point of view and then book two will be, like, a dual point of view with the FMC and the MMC. But it's not that. It's a dual point of view.
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