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Chapter 1: Why are Zendaya and Robert Pattinson's press tour dynamics significant?
Hello and welcome to Mamma Mia Out Loud. It's what women are actually talking about on Monday the 30th of March. I'm Holly Wainwright.
I'm Claire Stevens. Sorry, I was listening to your beautiful voice.
I'm Claire Stevens. Okay. And you are?
I'm Em Burnham, filling in for Amelia today. Claire, I have to tell you something.
Oh, no.
Producer Sash might cut this out, but I just have to tell you I had a dream about you last night. And I know that hearing other people's dreams are really boring, but this is so quick. Okay. Am I involved? No, you weren't there, but you can offer your thoughts. Sure. We were together at some kind of event, which we were at the weekend. So that's accurate. And you fainted because you're pregnant.
So you fainted. Is that happens during pregnancy?
It does. And on the weekend I had, that's so weird. I was sitting on stage and had this moment of like, imagine if I fainted.
Well, you fainted. In my dream, you fainted, right? And I said, somebody get her a nurse. And a nurse came and she was attending to you. And then I said to the nurse in your dream, now she's fine. Could you just put... Put a few fillers down here, please. Just jibby jab, jab, jab, jab. So I got a bit of needles in my head while you were on the floor being fed.
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Chapter 2: What implications does the landmark case against Meta and YouTube have?
There's lots of kind of like judginess where they're then like showing pictures of Margot Robbie and Jacob Elordi looking longingly at each other on the red carpets across the world and going, isn't it refreshing that these two seem to really respect their relationships?
And I'm like, finger wagging much? Yeah, because the argument is like Zendaya's engaged to Tom Holland.
I think married. I think you'll find married. Okay. Yes.
Sorry. They're married, but we haven't seen photos. Sorry. Like photos where it didn't happen. Married to Tom Holland. And Rob Pattinson is with Suki Waterhouse.
Yes, and they have a child.
Yes. And so the argument, I guess, is because they're in really functional, long-term relationships, they know not to mess it up and upset their partners when they're doing red carpets or interviews. But I would like to challenge this, because I went deep.
And this is just evidence of how every kind of phenomenon slash viral moment is so manufactured and just nitpicked because there is that viral footage and it is funny to see the contrast. There's viral footage of Zendaya and Rob Pattinson and they are kind of high-fiving and clearly like quite friendly rather than anything else. romantic or sexual tension, any of that on a red carpet.
And then they contrast it with, like, Marco and Jacob.
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Chapter 3: What is the concept of 'organised fun' and why is it controversial?
However... I have also seen interviews between Zendaya and Robert Pattinson where there is chemistry. Like they do get along. Well, of course they get along. And she is saying some, like I saw some interviews where I thought you could clip this and make it look like they're being flirty. And when Holly and I were in the same room as our friends, Margot Robbie and Jacob Elordi.
We were at the premiere after. If we had filmed them on stage, it would have looked like they were just respectful colleagues. Do you know what I mean?
Are you suggesting, Claire, that this is all a media beat-up? I cannot believe it. I am. The thing is, also, I just think we are, the audience in general is much savvier than they used to be, right? So maybe, particularly with the Sydney Sweeney-Glenn Thingy one. Glenn Powell. I do love him. I can't believe I forgot his name. Yeah, you do like him a lot.
Chapter 4: How does the new biography of Queen Elizabeth II challenge public perceptions?
I'm a big fan of his. When they convinced everyone they were happy, maybe they were. Who knows, right? We never know for sure. It's not like we're in the bedroom with them. It's not like we know these things.
Well, his partner at the time came out and said that she was not happy with how it was happening.
And did... Did Sydney Sweeney break up? She was engaged.
She was engaged to a producer on the movie and they broke up after. So we don't really know what's fake and what's real. But the thing is we're all much more literate in PR because we all watch the internet 24-7. So that trope has just gotten tired. I reckon that Margot and Jacob probably had the last dip at it. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.
Because they're both with, well, Margot certainly is with somebody else and has a child. And there's no suggestion there's anything, you know, not right in that relationship. But they did play it up big time on the red carpet. But then the movie demanded that. They had to appear to be people who could not keep their hands off each other under any circumstances. But I just think maybe that's past.
And so the narrative we like better about Zendaya, because she is one of the most popular celebrities in the world, is that she is a chaste wife. That's what we like. We like to think of her as being... How do I become a chaste wife?
Well, you basically... There's lots of clips of like if men ever try, you know, say at an awards ceremony and a man might put his arm on her elbow to like guide her up the stairs. She doesn't like it. Don't touch. She's boundaried, right? And we like that. We're like... boundary-chased queen, you know what I mean? And I think we've just bought into that relationship.
So it's all, you're right, Clara, it's all about the lens you're looking at it through.
And speaking of media beat-ups, I remember when I interviewed Zendaya and Zac Efron. An interview that went viral on YouTube. An interview that weirdly went viral on YouTube. There were rumours at the time that they were dating.
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Chapter 5: What is the 'Boomer Hospital reveal' phenomenon?
plaintiff's harm. So everybody agrees mental health is multifaceted and it's not caused by a single thing. So that's why that substantially contributed to the harm.
Do you think that this case and the sort of predicted tsunami of similar cases coming their way really backs up Australia's position. I think that we remain the only country in the world who has actually passed an age restriction into law on social media. And people listening to this...
who have kids in that demographic, will argue till the cows come home about how effective that has or hasn't been. But it was certainly putting a flag in the ground that no one else has yet done. And does it suggest that we really are the trailblazers we like to think we are?
It does. Pretty much every... Most international articles or podcasts that I've listened to about this have referenced Australia's laws, obviously in December last year, banning under-16s from social media. And experts are basically saying the age of impunity is over and it could be the beginning of the end of the social media era as we know it.
And so the UK apparently has been talking about doing similar legislation to Australia and... It's kind of popping up everywhere. And I think that this case and the ones that follow could, I mean, it gives credibility to Australia jumping on it when we did.
The thing that's interesting about that, I sense that. I mean, I don't mean I sense us in the wind. I mean, from reading about all this stuff, being involved in the ban as much as we were, is that we've probably seen the worst of the excesses of the social media era. But then AI is right behind it. So it's like, what's going to happen there?
But with the social media stuff, the thing that's then interesting is I think there's going to be a very specific cohort generation who have fallen in between this era of, I had a phone when I was 10 or whatever, and the bands coming into effect, who probably in a few years' time will have given themselves a snappy name. I don't mean that in a derogatory way.
I mean, because their lives will have been affected in a way that I don't think that your kids, for example, Claire, I don't think they will be. going on. But I think that the gate will have been closed on this particular challenge, if you like, to the complexities of being that age and being so perceived and so preyed upon in a way by this addictive technology.
I think it's really interesting because that cohort will have a very specific identification, a bit like COVID school kids or you know, I think it's that era defining moment. Like if you ask my mum about why she was drinking cocktails while she was pregnant, she would have said, because we didn't know. We didn't know it was bad.
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Chapter 6: How does social media addiction relate to mental health issues?
A headline in Bustle last week read, are your parents guilty of the Boomer Hospital reveal? And in the feature image was a screenshot of a text message from the context you can tell it would be from somebody's mum saying, hi, honey, how was your day? By the way, dad was in the ER. That's the whole message.
I've literally had that message.
I have literally had it. And yes, many millennials get frustrated when their parents withhold critical information because they don't want to worry us.
When my dad had a stroke, my mum called me and had a five-minute chat about my day and what I was going to be doing before telling me she was currently in hospital with dad because he'd had a stroke and yet it was looking like he needed serious surgery. Oh. I'm like, well, you just asked me what I was going to do. Like, I'm coming to hospital, you idiot.
That's called manners, Claire. She started with small talk. She wanted you to know that she was concerned about you and then she told you what she thought you needed to know.
I said, you need to lead with that, Mum. But here's a TikTok from an account called Your Journey Through that is asking for help understanding this behaviour but uses another example.
Hey honey, how you doing? Yep. Well, grandma's been on life support for the last week and it's not looking good. So, you know, we thought we'd let you know. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we wanted to wait until we knew. We knew for sure that it wasn't looking good until we called.
It's so bizarre. Some of the comments on that video had quite a cynical view of why our parents do it. One was they get to avoid our emotions over the situation. Another was it's because they don't respect you as an adult. Control, they're obsessed with control and they still see their adult children as children.
Okay, can I just interject with this? This is the most main character bullshit I've ever heard in my life. That the adult people, millennials, are upset that their parents who are going through real crises and real health dramas and real issues are upset that they are not centring their children in that.
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