Chapter 1: What are the biggest misconceptions about Christianity and Zionism?
Eden, welcome to the show.
Thank you for having me.
Absolutely. So my first and most important question is, how are you doing? Like, actually, like, really, how are you doing?
Doing good. Yeah, I'm back in Florida. I was in Los Angeles a few weeks ago for the debate that connected us. And I've gotten a lot of positive reviews, a lot of mixed reviews. The comment section, I don't know if you got a chance to look at it, but it's horrible, which I think says a lot to the
conspiracy, but also somewhat confirm that there are Qatari bots infesting the comment sections on Israeli propaganda. So yeah, really just coming off of the high from that. But I am also going to be back in L.A.
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Chapter 2: How does Eden VerBatin's upbringing in Israel shape her views?
on Saturday for another debate. So a lot of these things to think about.
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Yeah. I mean, it's something that I've always liked to do as a kid, more like a street fight, debating with friends and family. My poor mother had to deal with me being a very argumentative child, but it's something that I've always liked, but I've really only now started getting into it. I was, as you know, raised in Israel. And since moving to the States and
a little over a year ago, I've seen the need to advocate for Israel and to speak about my own experience. And so that's one of the reasons. And I think one of the most effective ways to do that is through debate. We see all of these commentators Everybody kind of isolates their own views. We're all able to post our own stuff, which is great.
But it's rare, especially on the opposing side, that they allow their thoughts to be challenged. And I think that is one of the most effective ways to win the battlefield of the mind and the perspective of people. So, yeah, it's something that I really love to do.
This, you know, I always think about this in debate because I don't debate. I don't really plan to. Maybe I should because I should probably have my opinions challenged. But, you know, that's that's a subject for another time. When you go into a debate, are you trying to necessarily change the person you're debating's mind or the people that are watching?
Because I feel like the people who come in with their beliefs for a certain side are like pretty like robust in their beliefs. Now, the debate between you and the other anti-Zionists, they weren't really firm in their beliefs. They didn't really know what they were talking about, but they still believe that stuff to be true.
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Chapter 3: What role does debate play in advocating for Israel?
It's very interesting because then, you know, Tucker Carlson brought this up a lot with like how people in Qatar, there's more Christians in Qatar and they're more safer in Qatar. And it's just like it's so funny with him now that like I think before he tried to spill in some like half truths. Now he's just like blatantly lying.
And I think like behind closed doors, he's kind of like laughing at his audience. He's like, what's fucking weird shit? That is not true. That's not in the Bible. That doesn't make any sense. That can't be found in fact. What can I say that people will still believe me and think that I'm like heroic for my beliefs? And I think he's on that train right now.
And I don't know much about the Christian situation in Qatar, but what I've read is that they're like segregated to like a certain part of it.
They're like ghettos.
Yeah, exactly. And they're imported.
yeah that's not that's not freedom like if you go to israel right now like i was last in israel in 2018 it happened to be on christmas and what a beautiful experience that was you know yeah go ahead yeah yeah all the churches are open christmas in jerusalem i feel more christmassy there even though here in the states you know i've got the christmas consumerism but growing up there it was just a great place to be a christian a great place to celebrate christmas
And it's a really beautiful time where you see this unity that the media does not capture with Muslims, Arabs, Christians, Jews coming together in this really unique time of the year. And I think it's beautiful. I think more people should be talking about it, but nobody wants to because it really does not fit the narrative.
Like Tucker Carlson, like you said, it seems like he's trying to push it, see how many people he can this deceive and get away with it. It's absolutely ridiculous. And yeah, like you said, the situation in Qatar, it's ghettos, like Christian ghettos. Their churches are only allowed to be in certain places. And most of them, I think they're Thai Christians that are brought in for work.
They don't have a natural Christian community the way that we see in Jerusalem. It's just non-existent.
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Chapter 4: How do social media and misinformation affect perceptions of Israel?
Everything she's going to fact check everything and go to like the peer reviewed sources and then go to the it's like that's not shouldn't have to fucking time for that. And so you understand why. people would get this information and then think it's fact. But then it goes to another layer when you're willing to defend and debate those topics.
And then you still don't do your sort of due diligence about it. Then I see it as a problem because then you're actually trying to influence people on a large basis with the have truths mixed in with like sprinkle with some bullshit convoluted into like this thing that you think makes sense and is accurate.
And then now we see that becoming actually dangerous where violence is actually happening and things of that nature. So. I mean, I don't know where we go with this information landscape, but, you know, just thoughts and feelings on that.
Yeah, it's quite nihilistic, actually. I think the best thing we can do, because I'm a free speech absolutist. I believe that people have the right to say we're in the United States. You know, it's one of our one of our rights is to be able to say what we want, no matter how horrible it is. I also believe in accountability for what you say.
So, yes, I'm a free speech absolutist, but I also believe in accountability. And so I do think that on the personal level, you know, if you own a media studio, if you hire people, you should they should be accountable to what they say and to what they are putting out there. And so that's one thing. But again, yeah, it's kind of kind of nihilistic. It's hard to control it.
And it's also hard to say that because if you if you acknowledge that it's hard to get the truth. People will say you're trying to control the narrative. Ridiculous. I mean, especially with A.I., so many things can be can be faked. I've been sent videos of IDF soldiers beating Palestinian kids. And then you you look into it and you find out that, A, this is either A.I.
or this is a different military person from a different place somewhere in the Middle East. And the only reason you know it's the IDF is because there's some words down there telling it to you. Well, so many people fall for this. It's not the IDF. I was able to debunk that very easily, but it's really, really dangerous.
And so I do think that one of the ways to fight this is through debate, because it's raw. You pull out their side, they pull out their side, and you go at it and may the best idea win. But it is really hard. I struggled with that the first few months of being here in the States, seeing videos that were coming out of Gaza. They might not have actually been coming out of Gaza.
But they have done, they've They've pushed a really good PR campaign for their side and they know what they're doing. And it caused me to like second guess some things and to ask deeper questions and ask, you know, am I on the right side? Obviously, I came to the right conclusion. And I do think that it is quite obvious, but they really are putting on a good deception campaign.
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Chapter 5: What is the significance of being a Christian in Israel?
more often than they use that word just in the idf joking around um uh but yeah it's it's really it's not what people are making it out to be it's fine and i say i use it on myself
Yeah, yeah. I thought that was funny. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I've been Jewish my whole life, you know, so and I've never been around people who use that word really like it only like started coming to my brain again when I started seeing it on the Internet. And I was like, why is this like a thing? Yeah, I was never taught that. Like the word was never like something that was like used often.
And so just like it's confusing because I think it was like the word was in like the Epstein files, I think.
Yeah.
uh so now i think that's why people people associate every one jew with all jews even though collective punishment is bad but it should happen to all jews exactly exactly so that's ridiculous yeah i think the way he used it in in the epstein files was obviously a joke it was a little it was derogatory but that's that's that's how people interact bad people are going to say derogatory things.
And that's just how it goes. And so, yeah, I guess, again, like I said, people are saying it means cattle. It doesn't mean cattle. It just literally means non-Jew. That's it. He used it in a bad way. Cry about it. Okay. He also did a lot of bad things. Like, what are we going to do about it?
Yeah. Horrible people do horrible shit.
And like horrible people do horrible. Yeah, exactly.
I don't understand why we would like that would be. Yeah. Anyways, that's stupid. But exactly. Another another word that's super important is Zionist. I think that's another word that has become a derogatory slur even more on the Internet. Oh, my God, you're a fucking Zionist. So, yeah. What does that mean to you first? And then I'll ask some follow up questions.
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Chapter 6: How do anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism intersect?
And that was a turning point. I think that's when two of the other girls started noticing a little bit of the evil that was sitting in front of them. And it's crazy because one of my best friends was a really good friend of Jaron, the guy who was shot and killed. And they were really close. And so it was like, wow, this is really crazy. We're really exposing this.
Unfortunately, they had it edited out because Jillian cried to the producer about it and got her way. And It was a whole mess. But I really do think, like you said, the light does expose the darkness. And I do think that we did that. And yeah, just grateful to be on the winning side.
Yeah. Then I saw you share something, I think, on your story about how then she went on her own Instagram account and like was claiming that you guys attacked her for for something, for being pregnant or something. What was that?
What the heck? We barely interacted with them outside of the debate. We showed up. The way that she says is that we were like we didn't want to have anything to do with them. So how are you going to claim some off camera interaction and also claim at the same time that we wanted nothing to do with you anyway? We went and we studied our material because we were ready. We were serious about this.
So we took any time in the green rooms to just brush up on our material. We were nervous. And yeah, like that's the only interaction we had with the opposing side. other than the two girls that were really kind to us and soft-hearted. The other two, the crazy one, the one in the yellow, the one who was pregnant, they didn't interact with us.
And so I think it's bizarre that they said that we attacked them. I do think maybe what she was referring to being attacked was... in the moments of the debate where it got heated, especially when our co-debater, Dominique, incredible wealth of knowledge, went after the fact that she claims to be a Torah-observant Christian, but also an anti-Zionist.
I think she felt that personally, but I also think that she needs to realize how psychotic that is. So I think that's what she was referencing, was we attacked her. All we did was we pointed out the...
idioticness of your argument and if you feel personally attacked by that maybe you need to get a new argument um stop holding that so personally to you but um yeah she she went on a whole rant she deleted that whole rant from her story after 30 minutes of it being up um again basically claiming that we attacked her i was beating up on the pregnant lady um I don't know.
I feel like the debate speaks for itself in the way that we all conducted ourselves and the way that our side brought truth and facts and their side brought conspiracy and dark, dark agendas.
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Chapter 7: What are effective strategies for combating anti-Semitism?
They demanded hotels for their spouses and all of these things like that. And none of us were getting that. None of us wanted that on the Zionist side. we wanted to do this for free. Like we, it's something we believe in. We wanted to go and we wanted to make our case. But all of them wanted some kind of financial incentive to get them there, which says a lot. It is a grift.
I really do believe that. I do believe that they know that they have, they don't even have one foot to stand on and it's all just a money-making machine fueled by outrage and rage bait. But so that was, That was kind of how we got there. It was going to be with Carrie Prejean. She backed out. So we got all these other ladies.
And I guess our study process was really just digging back into our own faith, questioning what we believe and studying our opponents a little bit. I studied one of our opponents who ended up canceling. She didn't end up being on the panel. They ended up replacing her. But I do think in studying that person, I was able to kind of predict a little bit of the arguments that were going to be made and
And yeah, so we studied. We met together the night before at the producer who had casted all of us in her house. We stayed in her house and we basically just pulled out our Bibles and we started reading through all of these proof texts for what we believe and talking about, you know, also the the geopolitical side of things and the ethical side of things.
And I really do believe because we had that evening together that And the other girls could have had it too. We didn't have some leg up or advantage. But I do think because we took the time to really come together as a team and then divide and conquer, we were able to go into it really strong. So I think that that was super, super beneficial.
Yeah, your preparation was incredible. Yeah. And since then, you know, what's kind of, I know you mentioned a little bit at the top, but what's been kind of the feedback, anything positive, negative, anything in between that you kind of want to note?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. So I guess I'll start with the negative. A lot of the comments are the other side is undercover Jews. They're working for the Mossad, 7K. A lot of the comments, and I think it's because they really can't pull apart our arguments because we did a great job defending ourselves. But a lot of our comments are about the way that we conducted ourselves.
We're a little too passionate or maybe a little too sassy. I guess our defense to that is we grew up with Charlie Kirk debates. So we kind of debate in the style of Charlie Kirk. We're a little snappy, you know. But it was all in good heart. I mean, none of us had any hate towards our opponents at all. But we do know that the way to win
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