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The Bugle

Starmer's still PM (just)

20 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What humorous insights do the hosts share about current events?

10.51 - 30.673 Andy Zaltzman

The Bugle, audio newspaper for a visual world. Hello, Buglers, and welcome to issue 4,379 of The Bugle, the world's leading competitive yo-yoing and industrial fruit canning industry crossover podcast. Also recently voted the podcast most likely to misrepresent what it does as a show in the opening 15 seconds of an episode.

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31.073 - 49.94 Andy Zaltzman

I'm Andy Zaltzman, here in the shed of truth and distraction in South... What's that on the window? Is it a spider? No, it's nothing. And joining me today from all the currently available major hemispheres of the world, from the south and the east, it's Alice Fraser, and from the north and the west, Josh Gondelman. Hello to both of you, and thanks for spanning the entire planet for me.

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51.462 - 53.706 Alice Fraser

You're very welcome, Andy. Hello, buglers.

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54.507 - 77.172 Josh Gondelman

Thank you, Andy, for having us, and thank you for letting us have you surrounded. How are you, Josh? I'm well, thank you. Yeah, just it's been nice weather here. So I've been taking my dog out who she's a 20 pound pug and she likes to fight all the other dogs in the neighborhood. So it keeps me sharp and keeps me off my phone. So I'm grateful to her for that.

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77.813 - 83.242 Andy Zaltzman

Are there official rankings for the local dog fighting or is that just something that you keep in your head?

84.103 - 99.462 Josh Gondelman

I would say my dog is near the bottom of the rankings in talent, but near the top in enthusiasm. I can take you a long way. Yeah. She's kind of the Rudy of dog fighting.

99.482 - 102.432 Andy Zaltzman

Alice, you're just back from Sydney, right?

102.901 - 122.824 Alice Fraser

Yes, I got back from Sydney this morning, which was I had a lot of fun at the Sydney Comedy Festival doing my Passion for Passion show, and then I'm about to begin the long-planned pincer movement of Josh and I coming in to London on the 8th of June and then doing a bunch of shows before Edinburgh in London and the rest of the UK.

122.844 - 140.015 Alice Fraser

So I'm going to move my tactical – I'm going to do my tactical part of this aggressive incursion, recolonisation I'm calling it, as long as Josh – Keep telling me you're right behind me with your angry dog. Don't leave me hanging, bro. I don't think I can take all the Brits on my own.

Chapter 2: What challenges is UK PM Keir Starmer currently facing?

2151.936 - 2175.627 Josh Gondelman

I did the radio edit family show. A fleet of Waymo driverless cars drove to a cul-de-sac in suburban Georgia and then just went in circles for hours. The cars were white, which may have dissuaded residents from calling the cops or straight up opening fire on them, which is not... A joke about the South being racist. It's a joke about people who live in cul-de-sacs being racist.

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2176.231 - 2200.433 Josh Gondelman

I didn't like this. If I'm going in circles in a car for hours, I want it to be for the classic reasons. I won't admit that I'm lost. And I think the whole the upshot of this whole story is that I'm less convinced that technology will usher in the apocalypse, but I'm more convinced it will cause a traffic jam, making it way harder to flee if and when the apocalypse occurs.

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2202.855 - 2230.926 Andy Zaltzman

Incidentally, cul-de-sac is a French term for vasectomy, I believe. In another tech panic, Alice, Anthropic have sparked more mayhem around the world. Well, in the world of essentially gambling on technology in a way that really we should have grown out of by now.

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2231.834 - 2253.703 Alice Fraser

Yes, they have made a lot of people in the investing in AI and secondary markets market panic by suggesting that they are not going to honour any investments that have been made in these secondary markets markets. There's been widespread panic, sell-offs. People are terrified that they're hypothetically valuable.

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2254.104 - 2274.075 Alice Fraser

So basically, just as a primer for anyone who's not super into economics, all stocks and shares are hypothetical valuations. They're sort of abstractions on the nature of real business. And then AI on top of that is an abstraction on the nature of real business. And then on top of that, these secondary markets are abstractions on the concept of value itself. And the problem...

2274.055 - 2291.49 Alice Fraser

The problem with the wild overvaluation AI hype train is that everyone knows it's a hype train and they all know that they're playing poker with a potentially disastrous hand. But the game is that they have to sell at the exact right moment because all these other suckers don't know that it's a bad hand, except they all have the same

2291.47 - 2302.868 Alice Fraser

hand and it has an unquantifiable chance of turning out to destroy the world and an unquantifiable chance of turning out as well as they're all saying very loudly that it will.

2302.908 - 2316.769 Alice Fraser

But it's now past the point where in order to justify the investments that have been made in the technology, it would have to be significantly more impactful and economically valuable technology with more uptake than email. So...

2317.711 - 2343.735 Alice Fraser

You know, anything that nudges the elbow of the players at that particular table, I think is likely to lead to extreme panic, a flipping of the table and everyone pulling out their shotguns because it feels like everyone in that area is getting increasingly wild eyed, both as the technology progresses and improves and as it still continues to fail to deliver the crushing blow to all of human economic activity that it seems to be designed to deliver.

Chapter 3: How does the political landscape in Australia compare to the UK?

2558.804 - 2581.42 Josh Gondelman

It's so funny that the ornamental buttons, this is my favorite part, that it's only on uniforms for women. That's so funny because it's also like men also have nipples. We've had them since D'Angelo made the untitled How Does It Feel music video. And we all just kind of sprouted them to be in alignment. Rest in peace to D'Angelo.

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2581.72 - 2592.453 Josh Gondelman

Not to be outdone, though, Pete Hegseth proposed new formal military dress for women in the American military, which is just a T-shirt that says milk, milk, lemonade around the corner. Fudge is made. So it could be worse.

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2592.493 - 2608.653 Alice Fraser

I mean, I do feel like there is gender at play here because no one's ever suggesting that any of men's buttons are purely ornamental. And men have a history of suggesting that at least one of women's buttons is purely ornamental and they can't find it anyway.

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2609.615 - 2631.919 Andy Zaltzman

The problem is the top two buttons on this jacket, the formal number one jacket it's called, are in the same sort of upper mid-frontal torso region as nipples are so often found on the human body. And ever since God told Eve to cover herself up with a fig leaf bikini, the female nipple has been one of the most controversial body parts in the entire history of the human chest.

2632.16 - 2653.348 Andy Zaltzman

So this kind of button-based smut just won't wash in Britain these days. And the jacket in question... which is apparently too damn suggestive in these days when nipples can never be seen anywhere, least of all on the internet, is made of dark blue wool and is double-breasted. Can we even fucking say that now? I'm sorry if I just made anyone uncontrollably horny.

2653.648 - 2670.62 Andy Zaltzman

Other parts of our military uniforms that may also have to be revamped or devamped for this apparently prudish age... include, well, some very, very questionably shaped hats that are knocking around the British military that are certainly over you a bit of a, what's the term, defalissimilitudification, I believe.

2670.86 - 2691.225 Andy Zaltzman

And when they notice all the tassels on those military medals, there's going to be, there's some serious redesigns. needed there, whilst other bits of the Armed Forces get-ups could also be redesigned because, and I quote, they look absolutely fucking ridiculous. So there we are. I mean, this is what we are as a nation now.

2696.875 - 2717.787 Andy Zaltzman

And finally on this week's Bugle, Iran war knock-on effects update news now. While the Iran war has continued to rumble on like the indigestibly undercooked political chicken sheesh that it is, what's actually going on right now? It's barely even worth bothering to try to keep up, partly because no one believes anything that anyone says about it anymore, least of all Trump.

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