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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

K-Pop, Automated Referees, And Mr. Fantasy | Hour 2

08 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What surprising admission does Jeremy make about referees?

0.031 - 3.857 Dan Le Batard

This is the Dan Levitar Show with the Stugatz Podcast.

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8.163 - 23.787 Stugatz

I do want to address something positive from the basketball last night. I mean, James Harden was horrible, okay? But the Detroit Pistons have now won five in a row, and they were dead in the water, down 24 in the third quarter in Game 6 at Orlando.

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They've won five in a row now, and... are looking every bit, you know, a team that can come out of the East now.

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Kate Cunningham, I'll tell you, I love watching him play. He is awesome.

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And when you think about it, like, nothing, he is unflappable.

40.916 - 49.565 Stugatz

Nothing seems to faze him. He has the same attitude the entire game. And I really got to give him a lot of credit because you go back just a couple years ago, I mean, that team lost, what, 29 in a row?

Chapter 2: How are the Detroit Pistons performing in the playoffs?

49.785 - 76.965 Stugatz

And I was like, whoa. I mean, like, think about that. He's the best player on... an all-time awful team, losing 29 games in a row, and now two years later, he's still the best player, but a team that could win the Eastern Conference. I feel like you don't get that very often, where you're a great player, and the team is just horrible, and then in pretty short time, this is a contending team.

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I really enjoy watching Cade Cunningham play.

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79.529 - 98.791 Dave Damaschek

No, he's spectacular. Remember, a lot of people thought he was going to be the MVP up until his lung collapsed, pretty much. And that kind of had to take him out the running. And he might still be it, I guess. I don't know. But, yeah, you're right. That's very rare to see someone who was around for the worst of times to be around for the best of times. Historically bad.

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98.811 - 111.681 Dave Damaschek

Especially when the best of times happens literally two years after the worst of times happened. I'm still... I'm not prepared to call them the team to beat in the East, even though they are the one seed. I still think the Knicks are better than them.

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112.061 - 130.126 Dave Damaschek

I think the Knicks are better prepared and deeper, and they've been more impressive consistently throughout the Eastern Conference playoffs than the Pistons have. But for certain, I have to imagine staring death in the face and not dying has to give you some sort of different level of confidence and belief that you can see it.

Chapter 3: What controversy arises regarding officiating in the NBA playoffs?

130.386 - 145.394 Dave Damaschek

And it also helps that they're going up against a team in the Cavs that – In the recent history, people are looking at us, yeah, it's a little bit of a soft team. But again, I urge everybody to remember, it's the playoffs. They won the first two games at home, and now they're going to go to Cleveland, and we'll see where it goes from there.

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145.414 - 159.355 Stugatz

Well, that's my biggest pet peeve in the NBA playoffs. I'm sure we're getting this all over the place today, where piss-ins are up to, oh, series is over. The series can't be over until we allow Cleveland to play a game at home.

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Now, there's a difference between... First thing, home team loses? You like that saying? No, I don't like that.

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Because of the home... Toronto and Cleveland series never started? Never started. Never happened. Never started. Toronto's still waiting. There's a difference between the series being over because Detroit's up two games to none and I think Detroit's going to win the series.

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Those are two completely different things. You know, we always try to apply this is true in that sport, so therefore it must be true in all sports. I think that home court in the NBA playoffs is the most important of the four major sports as we sit here in 2026. Taking weather and football out of the equation? I think it's been...

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The severe weather and both teams playing in it, even that, I think that the numbers indicate that it's kind of getting pretty close to a wash. Obviously, if you're favored by nine and a half points because you have home field advantage, it shouldn't be a stunner that that team actually wins.

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But yeah, I think the numbers kind of bear out that home field advantage in pro football at this point is negligible. I think in hockey that's true. Baseball, who cares? It's the starting pitcher. So it would only be the NBA, right?

229.33 - 237.598 Stugatz

Yep. He's at it again. You're smitten with Skip Bayless. Oh, my God. Wow.

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We can all learn something from him. Skip, colon, I'd rather be a Cowboys fan than a Knicks fan. Wow. Such a good show. Much better than what we're doing. In fact, leave us. It's okay.

Chapter 4: How does Austin Reeves react to a referee's behavior?

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We understand. Can I tell you something Cowboys-related that I was galled by, and I think you, Mike Ryan, were too? Zaslow, Football America is coming at you in a matter of moments. As soon as this show ends, look on YouTube and or wherever you find your podcasts, and there you will find the new episode of Football America. We did a deep dive.

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It was a special occasion because I was here in Miami, and as it happens, I still am. And so we did a special drip drill with Mike Ryan, my partner. We changed it up. Started talking uniforms. That's right. And we brought fellow fashionista Meenal Hassan in, Pulitzer Prize winner. And we talked about uniforms, the whole thing. We ranked the best uniform.

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Do you know what Buddy Badowski, producer supreme, said? His favorite uniform is the Dallas Cowboys. Why? Their pants don't match their hat. I mean, how can they be in contention for best uniform? I was outraged by that. Yeah, well, sparks flew. Don't give away the goods. Football America today? Football America today, yeah. It's a good one.

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312.749 - 330.477 Stugatz

So last night, the Thunder took a 2-0 series lead. They beat the Lakers by 18. And the main story coming out of this one is the same story that's really been... for the playoffs so far, which is the Oklahoma City Thunder. Get away with everything. A ton of complaining about the officiating.

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Chapter 5: What are the implications of automation in sports officiating?

330.697 - 348.182 Stugatz

We do this every single year in the playoffs, whatever team it's going to be. We do this every single year. It's Oklahoma City this year. And there was a really weird scene last night. So after the game ended, Austin Reeves is on the court confronting –

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referee, who was probably the crew chief, John Goebel. I've never seen this. Well, yeah, if you're watching on video, here's Austin Reeves confronting John Goebel.

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356.671 - 374.171 Stugatz

This looks like it's actually in the middle of the game, because you can see the clock up there. It says 5.53. So that's actually in the middle of the game at a timeout, and he says something to him along the lines, if you're reading his lips, you can't talk to me like that, that's bullshit. And then as he walks away, he calls him the word that rhymes with Stussy.

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It's not the one I would have gone with. Alright, well, anyway. So you got that video right there where he's complaining about the officiating.

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And then after the game, even more bizarre, the game is over at this point, and Austin Reeves, surrounded by what looks like the entire Laker team, has confronted John Goble, and he's just laying into him. Why is the official, why is John Goble even standing there, I mean, and taking it? Insane visuals. The whole team gathered around the officials.

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And I would also say this is something that's happened in the NBA over, you know, last however many, 10, 15, 20 years.

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Guys like Austin Reeves, a good player, all right? But why does anyone on every team get to dress down the referee? I feel like it should only be the captain. Only the best player should be able to have this kind of extended discourse with the referee.

430.58 - 446.715 Dave Damaschek

you know in soccer they have an armband to let you know who the captain is in hockey you got the C we don't have that in basketball so it's hard to tell because sometimes the captain is a guy who doesn't play a whole lot alright but you know the guy coming off the bench is not the guy who should be reacting and arguing with the official but that's not Austin Reese he's not a guy coming off the bench he's one of their best players he's

446.695 - 461.439 Dave Damaschek

He's a good enough player to, I think, advocate on his behalf towards the referee. The irony is I think the conversation was centered around the way John Goble was addressing Austin Reeves. Austin Reeves did not appreciate that.

Chapter 6: How does the conversation shift to K-Pop and pop culture?

462 - 483.494 Dave Damaschek

Do you remember the play? I don't remember the play. I know that I listened to the postgame presser and he said basically the way he was talking to me was so disrespectful. I wasn't disrespectful. I said way worse things in the past to referees. This was relatively calm the way I was talking to him. For him to talk to me in that way was beyond, you know, across the line.

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483.514 - 488.582 Dave Damaschek

And the big thing he said is like, and I think he knows it because he should have teed me up.

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but I mean, but again, it was over a jump ball. And if you look at it, it looks like nothing happens. I can't under, I can't grasp what the, the, the, his foe who is aligned around, around the jump ball is to his right. Then he moves his spot to the other side of Austin Reeves. And that was the thing that set Reeves off.

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Goble apparently then turned around and yelled at him. Probably some effect of, you know, stop moving. And,

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And that apparently Reese felt disrespected just the way he delivered the message.

517.906 - 539.722 Dave Damaschek

Look, I don't know what Goble said to him. I know that players get into it with refs all the time. And Dave, yeah, that's a call. He was arguing a call. It happens all the time. That's not the point. His point is the way that Goble spoke to him. across the line of decorum. And that's what that scene at the end was about. I was like, you don't talk to me like that.

540.182 - 559.293 Dave Damaschek

You can call whatever you're going to call, but you can't talk to me like that. We've had this in the past. When I worked for the Suns, we had a player, Zabian Dowdell, who had the referee call them a bitch. And we're like, yo, regardless of what Zabian, whether he argued the call where he was kind of like a journeyman guy.

559.653 - 580.18 Dave Damaschek

So is he relevant enough to use kind of Zazzle's terminology to argue the refs? Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. But the point is, that does not allow for the refs to carry themselves with no decorum there. And that's the part that this whole argument is about. It's not about, oh, was that a jump ball? No one cares. That's just one of many calls that players argue about during the game.

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I did 12 minutes on would you rather be a Cowboys or Knicks fan. 12 minutes. This is iron sharpening iron, Zazz. This is a test. We're in the crucible right here. This is difficult to try to conduct a conversation while Mike Ryan, this is what he's doing. Do you see this?

Chapter 7: What is the significance of the Mr. Fantasy persona in pop culture?

680.998 - 694.115 Austin Reeves

I told him that. I wasn't disrespectful. I told him if I did that to him first, I would have got attacked. I feel like the only reason I didn't get a take is because I knew he was in the wrong. So, yeah, I just felt disrespected.

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694.856 - 710.238 Stugatz

Okay, first of all, if I would have done that to you, I would have gotten a technical foul. That's right. He's the referee. He's above you. You're not equals. He's above you. So, yes, if you would talk to him like that, you would get a technical foul.

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710.578 - 725.076 Dave Damaschek

That's correct. That's his point. It's not like, oh, it's not fair. If I did it to you, he's not saying that. He's saying, if I had done that, I would have got a technical foul, but I didn't do it, and hence I didn't get a technical foul despite me telling him this was very disrespectful.

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I took it as him saying, I can't talk to you like that, so you shouldn't be allowed to talk to me like that.

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730.243 - 749.781 Dave Damaschek

He shouldn't talk to him like that. That's right. He shouldn't talk to him like that. But the point he's making is, as I'm pointing this out to you, If I was disrespectful the way you are, you would be teeing me up. So the fact that you didn't tee me up as I'm pointing out this disrespect to you indicates you know I'm right. You know I'm in the right here.

750.041 - 754.252 Stugatz

But he also says earlier than that, I've said a million things worse than that.

754.492 - 755.595 Dave Damaschek

In other games, yeah.

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I'll bet he didn't get a million technical fouls. Well, also, I don't know if Austin knows this. This might be helpful for him going forward. This isn't just a random game. This is round two, game two of the playoffs. What are you doing, Austin Reeves? It's like talking about the ballroom while there's a war overseas somewhere. What are you focusing on, man? Hey, Roy, buddy. Yo.

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Chapter 8: What unexpected topics arise during the Friday Thunder segment?

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956.911 - 962.989 Dan Le Batard

Stugatz. That's a good algorithm. This is the Dan Levitar Show with the Stugatz.

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